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Windows 7: Can I still buy a computer with Windows 7?

18 Aug 2013   #11
linnemeyerhere

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Windows 7 Ultimate 64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by TonyEvil View Post
The real problem is not whether Windows 7 will install over Windows 8, it will if you can boot from DVD or USB.

The real question is if you can find Windows 7 drivers for all your new hardware.
I remember reading that many Windows 8 laptops didn't allow for a Windows 7 install at all, somehow I remember the mobo had chips that prevented this or something. Does anyone have more details on that or am I a victim of poor internet reading skills?


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18 Aug 2013   #12
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by linnemeyerhere View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by TonyEvil View Post
The real problem is not whether Windows 7 will install over Windows 8, it will if you can boot from DVD or USB.

The real question is if you can find Windows 7 drivers for all your new hardware.
I remember reading that many Windows 8 laptops didn't allow for a Windows 7 install at all, somehow I remember the mobo had chips that prevented this or something. Does anyone have more details on that or am I a victim of poor internet reading skills?
You're close. Some manufacturers didn't make Win 7 drivers for their new Win 8 machines. In fact, HP proudly announced it (not surprising since they have a history of prematurely abandoning older technology).

The chip you are thinking about is actually a piece of...er...firmware called Secure Boot that blocked upgrading to Win 7 or installing any other OSes. Usually, that can be turned off so the availability of Win 7 drivers remains the only real issue to upgrading to Win 7.
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18 Aug 2013   #13
andrew129260

Windows 10 Pro
 
 

Luckily, for most things you can use generic drivers or sometimes the part maker will have a driver for their hardware (if you can find out who it is), you just can't get it from hp or dell....etc

First thing to do is find the drivers for your hardware, make sure you have them. BEFORE attempting installing windows 7.
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18 Aug 2013   #14
linnemeyerhere

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 Ultimate 64
 
 

Is this isolated to lappys or does it also happen with OEM desktop rigs?
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18 Aug 2013   #15
andrew129260

Windows 10 Pro
 
 

Both.
If you built your own pc you can do whatever you want. All parts still support 7. Most even support xp with drivers still.
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18 Aug 2013   #16
theog

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ME/XP/Vista/Win7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by linnemeyerhere View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by TonyEvil View Post
The real problem is not whether Windows 7 will install over Windows 8, it will if you can boot from DVD or USB.

The real question is if you can find Windows 7 drivers for all your new hardware.
I remember reading that many Windows 8 laptops didn't allow for a Windows 7 install at all, somehow I remember the mobo had chips that prevented this or something. Does anyone have more details on that or am I a victim of poor internet reading skills?
Some OEM manufacturers are locking end-users out of the options in UEFI/ BIOS firmware on consumer PCs, to install other OS's in UEFI mode, so you can only install in Legacy mode, on business PCs there not.



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Mandatory. On non-ARM systems, the platform MUST implement the ability for a physically present user to select between two Secure Boot modes in firmware setup: "Custom" and "Standard". Custom Mode allows for more flexibility as specified in the following:

It shall be possible for a physically present user to use the Custom Mode firmware setup option to modify the contents of the Secure Boot signature databases and the PK. This may be implemented by simply providing the option to clear all Secure Boot databases (PK, KEK, db, dbx), which puts the system into setup mode.

If the user ends up deleting the PK then, upon exiting the Custom Mode firmware setup, the system is operating in Setup Mode with SecureBoot turned off.

The firmware setup shall indicate if Secure Boot is turned on, and if it is operated in Standard or Custom Mode. The firmware setup must provide an option to return from Custom to Standard Mode which restores the factory defaults. On an ARM system, it is forbidden to enable Custom Mode. Only Standard Mode may be enabled.

Technical Note: UEFI BIOS vs. Legacy BIOS, Advantech(EN) - YouTube
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18 Aug 2013   #17
raindog308

Win 7 Pro x64
 
 

My mom just bought an i5-based Inspiron from Dell about a month ago and ordered it with Win 7 Home Premium.

I think they're only doing Win 7 on one line of Inspirons now, though...they've gone all-in with Win 8.
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18 Aug 2013   #18
Britton30
Microsoft MVP

Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1
 
 

PK, KEK, db, dbx no one seems to be able to spell out words anymore. I, as a reader lose interest fast if no explanation is given I'm not going to spend an hour on Google to read a few paragraphs. I'm sure I'm not the odd one who doesn't know all of those things. It's as clear as a BSOD error, 0x3244Gb45GzxY5 or something.
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19 Aug 2013   #19
Torrentula81

win 7 64
 
 

I have an hp laptop came with windows 8. To instal 7 need to enable legacy boot in bios. Some drivers instal fine others will say wont work for windows 7. Between manufacturer drivers and the hp ones I got all mine working with very little effort. Worse case scenario is you google one that isn't working by hardware id and someone links a windows 7 version that does work on their forums. Haven't seen any stuck because they couldn't get things working.
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19 Aug 2013   #20
Britton30
Microsoft MVP

Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1
 
 

Torrentula81 you are fortunate to have a lappy with the option to disable secure boot, many don't. It's MS force-feeding (read gagging) Win 8 certification to OEMs and users. I bought a San Disk USB flash drive which shows as a Local Disk, they explained it is because M$ required that to be Win 8 certified.
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