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Windows 7: Admin and Standard Account Users

01 Sep 2013   #21
bhavz

Professional 64 Bit SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mitchell65 View Post
Please read this and you will perhaps believe me when keep say that in a standard user account you CANNOT install a program or edit system settings
What is a standard user account?
I understood this, however I did want to be able to use it in the way also described -"If you're using a standard account, some programs might require you to provide an administrator password before you can perform certain tasks."

However when the admin account is hidden no option to enter the admin password as shown in a earlier message.


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01 Sep 2013   #22
andrew129260

Windows 10 Pro
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by MourningStar View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mitchell65 View Post
... most of the experts here say that with Windows 7 you do not need third party clean up software, that provided within Windows 7 is quite sufficient for most needs. Indeed there is a big raft of opinion that suggests that some of these third party programs especiall registry cleaners do more harm than good. It's always as well to seek expert opinion here before installing and using these programs. ...
sorry for off-topic, but this statement has me puzzled. Where can I find the Windows 7 cleanup software?

Also, I have read posts here recommending CCleaner. It even has it's own sticky in a forum on this site. Is use of this app now discouraged?

-thnx


Windows 7 itself monitors itself and does cleanup on its own.
Action center keeps an eye on your temp files and other common things that slow your pc down. It will notify you if it finds anything.
CCleaner is recommended if your PC is running very slowly and windows doesn't detect it. Your action center will flag you for anything that needs done.

See here:
Optimize Windows for better performance - Microsoft Windows Help


Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by bhavz View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mitchell65 View Post
Please read this and you will perhaps believe me when keep say that in a standard user account you CANNOT install a program or edit system settings
What is a standard user account?
I understood this, however I did want to be able to use it in the way also described -"If you're using a standard account, some programs might require you to provide an administrator password before you can perform certain tasks."

However when the admin account is hidden no option to enter the admin password as shown in a earlier message.
If you are using a standard account, you should be prompted to input a password for the admin account in order to continue. Are you saying you are not? You are just being asked yes or no? Because that is not normal and should not be happening.
If this is indeed the case, try deleting the standard profile (user account) and recreating it.
Another way to lock things down more is to increase the UAC setting to the Highest.
User Account Control - UAC - Change Notification Settings

Is this what your looking for?

Log On with User Name and Password
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01 Sep 2013   #23
mitchell65

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by bhavz View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mitchell65 View Post
Please read this and you will perhaps believe me when keep say that in a standard user account you CANNOT install a program or edit system settings
What is a standard user account?
I understood this, however I did want to be able to use it in the way also described -"If you're using a standard account, some programs might require you to provide an administrator password before you can perform certain tasks."

However when the admin account is hidden no option to enter the admin password as shown in a earlier message.
And there's me thinking that you wanted the UAC to work normally in a standard user account!
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01 Sep 2013   #24
bhavz

Professional 64 Bit SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mitchell65 View Post
And there's me thinking that you wanted the UAC to work normally in a standard user account!
I do very much so, but I guess what this means is that in order for this to function I need to show the admin account and be able to use the standard account with the normal UAC prompts for the admin passoword
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01 Sep 2013   #25
mitchell65

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by MourningStar View Post
sorry for off-topic, but this statement has me puzzled. Where can I find the Windows 7 cleanup software?

Also, I have read posts here recommending CCleaner. It even has it's own sticky in a forum on this site. Is use of this app now discouraged?

-thnx
Ccleaner being one of the few exceptions! Sorry should have made that clear! My Bad!
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01 Sep 2013   #26
MourningStar

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by andrew129260 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by MourningStar View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mitchell65 View Post
... most of the experts here say that with Windows 7 you do not need third party clean up software, that provided within Windows 7 is quite sufficient for most needs. Indeed there is a big raft of opinion that suggests that some of these third party programs especiall registry cleaners do more harm than good. It's always as well to seek expert opinion here before installing and using these programs. ...
sorry for off-topic, but this statement has me puzzled. Where can I find the Windows 7 cleanup software?

Also, I have read posts here recommending CCleaner. It even has it's own sticky in a forum on this site. Is use of this app now discouraged?

-thnx


Windows 7 itself monitors itself and does cleanup on its own.
Action center keeps an eye on your temp files and other common things that slow your pc down. It will notify you if it finds anything.
CCleaner is recommended if your PC is running very slowly and windows doesn't detect it. Your action center will flag you for anything that needs done.

See here:
Optimize Windows for better performance - Microsoft Windows Help
Thank you!
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01 Sep 2013   #27
bhavz

Professional 64 Bit SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by andrew129260 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by MourningStar View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mitchell65 View Post
... most of the experts here say that with Windows 7 you do not need third party clean up software, that provided within Windows 7 is quite sufficient for most needs. Indeed there is a big raft of opinion that suggests that some of these third party programs especiall registry cleaners do more harm than good. It's always as well to seek expert opinion here before installing and using these programs. ...
sorry for off-topic, but this statement has me puzzled. Where can I find the Windows 7 cleanup software?

Also, I have read posts here recommending CCleaner. It even has it's own sticky in a forum on this site. Is use of this app now discouraged?

-thnx


Windows 7 itself monitors itself and does cleanup on its own.
Action center keeps an eye on your temp files and other common things that slow your pc down. It will notify you if it finds anything.
CCleaner is recommended if your PC is running very slowly and windows doesn't detect it. Your action center will flag you for anything that needs done.

See here:
Optimize Windows for better performance - Microsoft Windows Help


Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by bhavz View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mitchell65 View Post
Please read this and you will perhaps believe me when keep say that in a standard user account you CANNOT install a program or edit system settings
What is a standard user account?
I understood this, however I did want to be able to use it in the way also described -"If you're using a standard account, some programs might require you to provide an administrator password before you can perform certain tasks."

However when the admin account is hidden no option to enter the admin password as shown in a earlier message.
If you are using a standard account, you should be prompted to input a password for the admin account in order to continue. Are you saying you are not? You are just being asked yes or no? Because that is not normal and should not be happening.
If this is indeed the case, try deleting the standard profile (user account) and recreating it.
Another way to lock things down more is to increase the UAC setting to the Highest.
User Account Control - UAC - Change Notification Settings


Is this what your looking for?

Log On with User Name and Password
I was hoping for the name of the standard account to be displayed without having to enter it each time but I guess this will have to work for now............
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01 Sep 2013   #28
andrew129260

Windows 10 Pro
 
 

@MourningStar

Wanted to add, the reason ccleaner is such an exception is the coding for the program is very well done. Also, the guy who made it did a lot of testing with Microsoft employees as well. Main point: It doesn't break things.
Also, the registry cleaner that comes with it only looks for complete registry proven keys that are NOT tied to anything at all. Just taking up room. This way it does not accidentally delete important keys that are needed or used. It is still wise to allow CCleaner to do a backup though just in case.
By the way, I use CCleaner all the time. I love it for cleaning friends PCs who have had their PCs for years and it gets a little slow. Although again, this happened more often on XP and Vista compared to 7.


@bhavz

Sorry about that. But yes unfortunately that is the way things have to be. The only other option is to use a completely custom log in screen, but that has some risks of mucking stuff up. So I will not go into that.

Windows Rule: A Pc must have an admin account. No way around this.

Still not sure why you need to hide the admin account from the login screen in the first place. If the account has a strong password, it is relatively safe from trying to break in. Unless they run a special boot tool to get into the registry and change the password. But this is more advanced. So if you do not mind me asking, why would you need to do this?

The standard account like I said should prompt a UAC window asking for the admin password on a standard account when installing programs, changing critical settings by default. The highest UAC setting will not allow them to change any windows settings for any reason without a UAC box prompting for the admin password.
Enabling the built in admin account is not recommended, and is unnecessary in 99% of circumstances.
(Their are extremely rare circumstances)
A regular admin account should be more than suffice. Then the standard accounts will follow.
I recommend if you do have the built in special admin account turned on, to turn that off and just use a standard admin account. And then the standard users. The built in admin account can be very dangerous leaving that turned on. (Coming from a security standpoint)
Hence, this is why it is disabled by default.
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01 Sep 2013   #29
bhavz

Professional 64 Bit SP1
 
 

@andrew129260
Thanks for your reply, the reason I wanted to hide the admin user was to avoid the two login's at the login screen, also since using the interactive login I have found that it takes twice as long to show the desktop for any user.

Unfortunately the UAC prompts do not allow for a admin password when the admin account is hidden, hence the start of this thread and request to see if anyone had overcome this.
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01 Sep 2013   #30
andrew129260

Windows 10 Pro
 
 
Hmmm...

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by bhavz View Post
@andrew129260
Thanks for your reply, the reason I wanted to hide the admin user was to avoid the two login's at the login screen, also since using the interactive login I have found that it takes twice as long to show the desktop for any user.
Is it possible you have too many programs running at start up that could cause this?
Could you maybe post a screenshot of msconfig startup tab?
Start-run-msconfig

Also from your screenshot I see its asking for you to type the password but does not have a place to type it. I know what you saying below, but lets try the following below for giggles.

Have you tried running sfc /scannow?
SFC /SCANNOW Command - System File Checker



Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by bhavz View Post
Unfortunately the UAC prompts do not allow for a admin password when the admin account is hidden, hence the start of this thread and request to see if anyone had overcome this.
Ok, gotcha.
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