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Windows 7: No boot without installation disk

23 Oct 2009   #1
Keln

 
 
No boot without installation disk

I just installed Windows 7 64 bit Home Premium yesterday from iso burned onto a disk. I have been running XP 32 Home edition for years. I installed Win7 on a different partition on the same disk as XP. If I restarted the computer without the W7 install disk in the drive, XP would boot up and I would not get a menu to choose between XP and W7 like I did back when I was running the W7 beta early in the year. When I put the install disk in, it will go straight to W7 without a menu to choose from as well. I then went into disk management in W7 and chose the W7 partition as the active disk. It listed the partition as boot, so I assumed it was good to go. I then restarted the computer without the install disk in, but I get the NTLDR missing, press ctrl+alt+del message. So I figured the boot files on the W7 partition weren't there or were corrupt, so I booted from the W7 installation disk and used the repair utility. It detected nothing to repair, so now I am stuck. Any ideas as to what I am doing wrong? Shouldn't the repair utility on the installation disk detect a missing or corrupt boot file? Or is it seeing the boot file on the XP partition and I need to delete or rename it to keep the repair tool from seeing it?

edit: I just did a search for boot.ini on my computer and it is indeed in the XP partition, but no boot.ini file on my W7 partition. What is the best way to deal with this?


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23 Oct 2009   #2
Keln

 
 

Alright, so I tried renaming the boot.ini file on my XP partition to boot.backup.ini, hoping it would force my system to ignore it, and ran the repair utility again from the W7 installation disk. Same thing, the utility said it didn't find anything wrong and there is still no boot.ini file on my W7 partition. I'd rather let windows make the boot.ini instead of writing one, because I am not entirely sure what I'm doing. Is there a solution out there to this problem?
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23 Oct 2009   #3
SIW2

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Hi kein,

please post a screenshot of Disk Management window:

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...en-forums.html
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23 Oct 2009   #4
Keln

 
 

Here you go:


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23 Oct 2009   #5
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

Hi,

Boot is the partition you are currently booted into. System is the partition containing the boot critical files. 7 won't make a boot.ini on the root of the drive.

If you messed with the original XP boot.ini - put it back exactly the way it was.

I would assume the bios boot order has cdrom first, Disk0 second.

Try this:

From within 7 ( with the dvd in the drive) - as you are now, in fact.

In Disk Management, rt click the IDE partition and assign letter J.

Open an elevated command and type:

bcdboot c:\windows /s j:

then press enter

H:\boot\bootsect.exe /nt60 j: /force /mbr

then press enter.

Remove the dvd from the drive and restart.

Back in 7, open an elevated cmd and type ( press enter after each line):


bcdedit /create {ntldr} /d "Windows XP"

bcdedit /set {ntldr} device boot

bcdedit /set {ntldr} path \ntldr

bcdedit /displayorder {ntldr} /addlast


Then close cmd prompt.

Hope it helps
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23 Oct 2009   #6
Keln

 
 

I had a sneaking suspicion you would look at that IDE drive, as I started wondering about it myself. I'll try all that and post here whether it works or not. Either way, I thank you for your help.
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23 Oct 2009   #7
Keln

 
 

I ran into a problem right away. I can't copy the boot files from the IDE...it's not quite working for some reason (says failure to copy). I haven't used that drive in a long time now because it was acting up. It has my original XP on it. I had cloned that drive to the XP partition on that SATA drive. Apparently my machine has been booting from the IDE all this time? At any rate, if I click on the IDE in explorer it show 0 files, but looking at properties it shows full. So my question is, can't I just format the IDE (assuming it will let me)? I really don't care about the data on it any more. If I do this, in effect destroying the bootfiles, would the repair feature on the disc fix my problem?
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23 Oct 2009   #8
Keln

 
 

Ok, never mind, I was reading another post, so I guess I cannot format the IDE because it is the "system". So could I simply disconnect it? I guess all I need to know is, if there are no boot files available, will the Windows 7 installation disk repair tool make them on my Windows 7 drive?
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23 Oct 2009   #9
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

Yes it will make the 7 critical boot files. - did you chicken out of the commands above?

You still need to do the commands to add XP to bcd after you disconnected IDE drive and run startup repair from the 7 ( may take 3 runs).

You need to make sure that Disk1 is first in Bios boot order.

You will need to also make sure vthe 3 XP bootfiles are on the 7 partition.

They are hidden files - ntldr, ntdetect.com and boot.ini
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23 Oct 2009   #10
Keln

 
 

No, I tried the first command and it wouldn't work.

Ok, so I can disconnect the IDE, then start the computer, fire up the BIOS, make sure the boot order is DVD, then Disk 1, then save/exit, reboot on the DVD disk, run the repair tool and reboot how many ever times it takes to get it to not detect anything, then take the DVD out, boot up normal, if Win 7 comes on, then go from here:

Quote:
Back in 7, open an elevated cmd and type ( press enter after each line):


bcdedit /create {ntldr} /d "Windows XP"

bcdedit /set {ntldr} device boot

bcdedit /set {ntldr} path \ntldr

bcdedit /displayorder {ntldr} /addlast


Then close cmd prompt.

Is that all correct?
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