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Windows 7: Windows has stopped booting. Advice needed please!

15 Nov 2013   #11
gregrocker

 

Martin, I've never heard of Disk Check wiping a HD. It must have been struggling to piece the data back together on a failing HD. Test your HD now with maker's HD Diagnostic extended CD scan. Kudos on having your data backed up. This is why.

I wasn 't referred to which drive is in DISK0. You need to assure instead that the OS HD is set first to boot in BIOS Boot Priority order. So in BIOS setup now Disk2 must be set the first HD/SSD to boot.

The risk with the other HD's in preceding positions is that a Startup Repair or reinstall can derail the System boot files to a preceding Primary partition. THis can be avoided by unplugging the HD's before a reinstall or repair, or converting all preceding data partitions to Logical using How to set partition as Primary or Logical.

If there is any boot problem with the OS drive after unplugging the problem drive(s) then boot into Win7 DVD or System Repair Disk to run Startup Repair a few times to check for and resolve issues.


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15 Nov 2013   #12
martinlest

Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit
 
 

Thanks, as ever, for the input!

This isn't the first time you've said to me that it's the first time you've heard of some mishap that I have encountered! Why me, I wonder? I also had, as a remnant of my E partition, a 'found.000' folder, but nothing useful was in it, given I do have a duplicate of the said partition as backup.

I tried plugging in the faulty SSD one more time, just to see if it really is finished, but quite apart from Windows not seeing it when I boot (can't even get BartPE to start from CD-ROM now with the SSD connected!), the experiment caused checkdisk to come up again wanting to check the same partition as before on one of my SATA drives. Very odd. I aborted the check, but since it came up with the same thing every time I rebooted (of course), I deleted the partition, reformatted it and am now copying my folders from backup once more. (Luckily copy speeds are pretty good, around 45MBs/sec, it doesn't take too long to copy the 120GBs or so).

I have ordered a Seagate ST1000DX001 SSHD drive to replace the SSD. As it's not for the O/S (but does have programme executables, like MS Flight Simulator on it), I think that will be a reasonable choice.

No, I know you weren't referring to which drive is in DISK0 in DM - that was my extra info. I check now that the SSD with the O/S is first to boot in the BIOS in the hard drive list. The drive no longer shows up in the SATA list, since I switched it to the Marvell connection on the M/B. It now shows on the separate Marvell splashscreen at boot.. Normal, I guess.

Fingers crossed, no problem with booting at the moment. If I ever need to do a repair, I'll try to remember to unplug all the other drives first. Yes, all my partitions were set up as primary partitions: if I were ever starting from scratch, I'd make sure that that wasn't the case. The link you gave How to set partition as Primary or Logical just leads to a 404 error BTW.. must have been moved. If I can convert primary to logical partitions without erasing data, I might give it a try.

We spent quite some time some months back trying to reset things so that my O/S drive shows as Disk0 in DM, but nothing helped. As soon as I plug in a second drive, it moves position and that new drive becomes Disk0. Will have to live with it (and bear in mind the precautions you mention)..

Thanks again.
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15 Nov 2013   #13
rvcjew

7 Pro x64, 10 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
Martin, I've never heard of Disk Check wiping a HD. It must have been struggling to piece the data back together on a failing HD. Test your HD now with maker's HD Diagnostic extended CD scan. Kudos on having your data backed up. This is why.

I wasn 't referred to which drive is in DISK0. You need to assure instead that the OS HD is set first to boot in BIOS Boot Priority order. So in BIOS setup now Disk2 must be set the first HD/SSD to boot.

The risk with the other HD's in preceding positions is that a Startup Repair or reinstall can derail the System boot files to a preceding Primary partition. THis can be avoided by unplugging the HD's before a reinstall or repair, or converting all preceding data partitions to Logical using How to set partition as Primary or Logical.

If there is any boot problem with the OS drive after unplugging the problem drive(s) then boot into Win7 DVD or System Repair Disk to run Startup Repair a few times to check for and resolve issues.
yeah agree this happens a lot with ssd's since your bcd almost always gets put on your spinner and not he ssd. A hybrid drive will be slower to load levels ect. its not as fast as a true ssd those are more for putting your os on the little partition then your other stuff on the normal part (unless its one of the ones that just use it as cache basically). how old is your dead ssd you can probably get it replaced under warenty. as for the hdd being wiped it defiantly sounds like its dyeing. so do the advice above and also see what its start data says under hdtune for your smart data (if your manufacture program doesn't have that feature).


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15 Nov 2013   #14
martinlest

Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit
 
 

No, I have checked the disc with two or three utilities (like Hard Disk Sentinel), as I think I noted somewhere, and it shows no problems..

The SSD is about 3 1/2 years old. I'll check, but I doubt the warranty was longer than 3 years.

M
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15 Nov 2013   #15
martinlest

Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit
 
 

BTW, Hard Disk Sentinel says that my SSD supports TRIM but that it is disabled.

I ran

fsutil behavior query disabledeletenotify

from an elevated command prompt I got

disabledeletenotify = 0

.. so trim IS enabled, no???
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15 Nov 2013   #16
rvcjew

7 Pro x64, 10 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by martinlest View Post
BTW, Hard Disk Sentinel says that my SSD supports TRIM but that it is disabled.

I ran

fsutil behavior query disabledeletenotify

from an elevated command prompt I got

disabledeletenotify = 0

.. so trim IS enabled, no???
should be, sentinel for me looks like this.


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15 Nov 2013   #17
gregrocker

 

Hard Disk Sentinel only reads SMART data. It is not the maker's HD Diagnostic extended CD scan repeatedly recommended which along with Disk Check will tell you the HD condition with certainty.

If an SSD fails and the diagnostics are not readily available on its Support page, then contact Tech Support if within a year of purchase to arrange for testing and possible RMA through them. We see many SSD failures here.

SSD Alignment - Windows 7 Forums
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17 Nov 2013   #18
martinlest

Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit
 
 

Going back to the SSD question. I have now removed it from the PC and hooked it up to my laptop - which doesn't recognise it at all: nothing in Disk Management. I guess I can just ditch it. It failed four months outside of its three-year warranty

I think that the best solution for my SATA (data) drives is, as I have all the data backed up, wipe them and create new logical/extended partitions and copy the data back. I could use Partition Wizard I suppose, but since the partitions contain data and not programmes, wiping them and recopying seems the most risk-free option. If I do that, I should get my boot drive back as Disk0 ?

Although I keep drive images of my other SSD, with the O/S on it, I am wondering whether to create an exact replica of my SSD Win7 installation on a dedicated primary partition on one of the SATA drives (the SSHD probably), using the image backup I have. That way, I can still boot as normal if disaster strikes my O/S SSD. Would that be easy to achieve? My image backup contains the Reserved Partition too of course. I don't want to mess up my current boot partition: can I restore the image I have to a different partition from the original, given the original is still extent (and my primary boot source)?

It's years since I created a dual boot system (in XP), but I guess it's pretty straight forward. Or better to 'hide' the duplicate O/S partitions from Windows so I don't need a dual boot? If the install is on the same PC, I wouldn't need to activate Win7 again??

BTW, I assume I should plug the new SSHD (Seagate ST1000DX001) into the remaining grey, Marvell port, not a standard SATA?

Questions, questions... Not sure of the best way to go about this. What do you think? There is probably a tutorial here somewhere I can use.. I'll have a look.

M.
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17 Nov 2013   #19
gregrocker

 

Formatting logical partitions for data is only to assure that the boot files (System flag) cannot be derailed to a preceding partition when the OS is not in Disk0 position. It should not affect how your mobo numbers the disks.

Read your mobo Manual on it's Support Downloads webpage to see which port is best to plug the SSD, and the hybrid HD into.
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17 Nov 2013   #20
martinlest

Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit
 
 

No mention of SSD or SSHD or even the word 'solid' in the Asus M/B pdf manual. I'll just have to try it out when I get the drive.
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