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Windows 7: Size matters

18 Nov 2013   #21
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

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If the info comes up on mouse hover it can't be far away, why can't they put it in the size column
I suggest you ask Microsoft. How would we know.
That was a completely unnecessary and distinctly unfriendly response. If my posts offend you then avoid them please and keep your vitriolic responses to yourself.
I don't believe he meant it to be offensive. He just tends to get right to the point.


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18 Nov 2013   #22
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by urbanspaceman1 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
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If the info comes up on mouse hover it can't be far away, why can't they put it in the size column
I suggest you ask Microsoft. How would we know.
That was a completely unnecessary and distinctly unfriendly response. If my posts offend you then avoid them please and keep your vitriolic responses to yourself.
I don't think I am known as an unfriendly person and my comment had no unfriendly intent. If you took it that way I am sorry and I apologize.

You have to understand that a lot of new members think that we are a Microsoft helpforum with MS employees. That is, of course, not so. That;s why your embedded question cannot be answered here but only by the people that decided on that design point. -- Peace.
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18 Nov 2013   #23
LMiller7

Windows 7 Pro 64 bit
 
 

Windows will try to provide a value for the folder size on a mouse hover. But it may not be accurate. The file system doesn't maintain a running total of the disk space a folder consumes so the only way it can work is to recursively look at every file in the folder. With a large network drive and a slow network connection that can take a long time, not to mention the network bandwidth consumed for what is essentially a minor feature. So Windows Explorer will spend a short time with space determination and then quit. The problem would be even worse updating the size column.

Raymond Chen dealt with this some time ago in his blog.
The Old New Thing - Site Home - MSDN Blogs
Sorry I don't have a link to the article.
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18 Nov 2013   #24
urbanspaceman1

windows 7 premium home 64bit
 
 

Thanks LMiller7. Yes, the mechanics and the science behind a lot of my grumblings are well beyond my ken which is why I look to those with knowledge and experience here on this forum. It never even dawned on me that a domestic OS would be constrained by issues concerning networks; thank-you for your explanation: it now makes some sense. I had assumed it was a simple matter such as indexing- or not - as the case may be, and that I had turned something off inadvertently.
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18 Nov 2013   #25
LMiller7

Windows 7 Pro 64 bit
 
 

Windows 7 isn't just a domestic OS. It is also used in large corporate networks where network performance and bandwidth are major concerns. It is a concern for many home users as well. There are also large external drives to consider.
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18 Nov 2013   #26
MourningStar

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by LMiller7 View Post
Windows will try to provide a value for the folder size on a mouse hover. But it may not be accurate. The file system doesn't maintain a running total of the disk space a folder consumes so the only way it can work is to recursively look at every file in the folder. With a large network drive and a slow network connection that can take a long time, not to mention the network bandwidth consumed for what is essentially a minor feature. So Windows Explorer will spend a short time with space determination and then quit. The problem would be even worse updating the size column.

Raymond Chen dealt with this some time ago in his blog.
The Old New Thing - Site Home - MSDN Blogs
Sorry I don't have a link to the article.
Hmmm, ... interesting. Why, then, are all these 3rd party explorer apps that provide this (and more) able to bypass all this traffic/overhead and smoothly 'cut to the chase'?
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18 Nov 2013   #27
LMiller7

Windows 7 Pro 64 bit
 
 

Third party applications are under the same constraints as Windows Explorer. For local drives the feature usually works well. For situations where it would cause a problem the user can turn it off.

But things are not so simple for Windows Explorer. This utility is used by the lowest common denominator of users, those who know nothing of computers and don't want to learn. Many will be using Windows Explorer in a network environment and experience serious problems. Guess who gets the blame? Of course an option could be provided to turn off the feature, but few would use it, or even be aware of it's existence.
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18 Nov 2013   #28
LMiller7

Windows 7 Pro 64 bit
 
 

This is the article I mentioned previously:
Why doesn't Explorer show recursive directory size as an optional column? - The Old New Thing - Site Home - MSDN Blogs
The links are also worthwhile reading.

It is written by Raymond Chen, a developer with Microsoft since at least Windows 95.
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19 Nov 2013   #29
MourningStar

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

^^^
so, I am thinking a computer would be faster if one disables ALL columns save the file/folder name?
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19 Nov 2013   #30
urbanspaceman1

windows 7 premium home 64bit
 
 

Thank-you LMiller7: again, an insightful and comprehensible contribution. I really appreciate your attentions.
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