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Windows 7: System image larger than new drive?

09 Jan 2014   #1
SJMaye

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 
System image larger than new drive?

Hello,

I am in the process of upgrading to an SSD. My original HDD showed about 165GB, but the best I can tell in the Windows 7 backup image there was a file that is 289GB. I only bought a 250GB SSD, so I did not attempt to use the image for the new drive.



My questions
  • Is it normal for the system image to be much larger than the total contents of the original drive?
  • If I tried to use that system image on my 250GB SSD would it have installed back to the original drive size of about 165GB or would it fail because it is too large for the SSD?
  • Is there different software I should use so I don't run in to this problem in the future?
TIA for your help!


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09 Jan 2014   #2
AddRAM

Windows 7 Pro x64 Windows 10 Pro x64
 
 

Question #1 = No

Don`t put an image on the ssd, do a clean install.

Clean Install Windows 7

Did you hook the ssd up to your system and align it yet ?

SSD Alignment

You could shrink your C partition down, then make the image, then put the image on the ssd.

SSD - Install and Transfer the Operating System
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09 Jan 2014   #3
Kaktussoft

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win7 built-in system image backup saves the partition layout as well (size and types of partitions). Win7 system image recovery checks if disk signature and partition layout is still the same when restoring. If not (in case you moved/deleted/resized/created partitions) it initializes and makes the partition layout just the way it was and restores. So indeed you're having problems.

To solve this: shrink the partition prior to backing up. This is of course just a workaround.

Old HDD is still working fine and attached to system? Post screenshot please of disk management Disk Management - Post a Screen Capture Image

Use macrium reflect FREE instead to make and restore backups. It can shrink/extend on restore. Very easy to use and very flexible. Imaging with free Macrium . It can also ALIGN partions on restore http://www.macrium.com/help/v5/partition_alignment.htm . Another handy feature is: you can mount the image as virtual drive: http://kb.macrium.com/KnowledgebaseArticle50080.aspx

It's quite easy to upgrade to SSD
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09 Jan 2014   #4
SJMaye

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by AddRAM View Post
Question #1 = No

Don`t put an image on the ssd, do a clean install.

Clean Install Windows 7

Did you hook the ssd up to your system and align it yet ?

SSD Alignment

You could shrink your C partition down, then make the image, then put the image on the ssd.

SSD - Install and Transfer the Operating System

Since I did not think I could use my system image I did a clean install, but did not align the SSD. I have no problem starting over. I just want to get it right, do the install and get a good system image to be able to go back to.

So, the steps are to align, then do the clean install of Win7, then I will use Marcium as Kaktussoft as recommended?
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09 Jan 2014   #5
AddRAM

Windows 7 Pro x64 Windows 10 Pro x64
 
 

Check the alignment now, before you re install. If you install windows to a bare ssd it`s supposed to do it automatically.

The steps to check it are in the tutorial. Just 4 entries in command prompt. Here`s mine and you can see it`s aligned perfectly, the offset has to be divisable by 4
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09 Jan 2014   #6
Kaktussoft

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If you install win7 from dvd and you did let win7 CREATE the partition then it's fine. Win7 aligns the partitions by default on creation. But let's check. In Elevated Command Prompt
Code:
diskpart
list disk
select disk X (replace X with SSD disknumber)
list part (now you know the partition numbers)
select part Y (replace Y with 0, 1, 2 etc)
detail part
exit
What's the offset in bytes?

I recommend Macrium Reflect FREE, but it's your decision. Make a macrium recovery DVD as well and test if it can access the backup on external disk using usb3 port. If not use usb2 port.

Aligning can also be done afterwards. Partition Wizard a perfect FREE partition tool. Also recommended on this forum. Align All Partitions ? MiniTool Partition Wizard help. and How to align a specified partition ? MiniTool Partition Wizard help.
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09 Jan 2014   #7
AddRAM

Windows 7 Pro x64 Windows 10 Pro x64
 
 

Kaktus, you are just too slow tonight LOL

But you take over, I gotta catch some zzzzzzzz
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09 Jan 2014   #8
Kaktussoft

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bits 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by AddRAM View Post
Kaktus, you are just too slow tonight LOL

But you take over, I gotta catch some zzzzzzzz
LOL... it's morning here in europe. Sleep well
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09 Jan 2014   #9
SJMaye

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by AddRAM View Post
Check the alignment now, before you re install. If you install windows to a bare ssd it`s supposed to do it automatically.

The steps to check it are in the tutorial. Just 4 entries in command prompt. Here`s mine and you can see it`s aligned perfectly, the offset has to be divisable by 4
Good thing I checked. I think I am NOT OK. Help me make sure I did this right. What I see in the image below is that the 250GB SSD is Disk 0. My 2TB HDD is Disk 1. Thus I selected Disk 0. The offset listed for the large partition is 101MB. Not divisible by 4. A problem. Right?

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09 Jan 2014   #10
Kaktussoft

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bits 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

The offset must be divisible by 4kB (4096)
Still in diskpart and disk 0 selected:

select part 1
detail part
select part 2
detail part

Post output. It looks win7 install creted a 100MB partition, most likely labeled "system reserved". Remaining of disk is called C. Win7 install only makes the 100MB partition if there are no partitions on disk yet. So part1 and part2 have been created by win7 install.... so aligned automatically. But give me the screenshot.

Or maybe I'm wrong and you created them yourself manualy.

SSD Alignment
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