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Windows 7: Endless updates when PC is "Shut Down"

02 Feb 2014   #1
bawldiggle

XP/7x32 & x64/8x64/8.1x64
 
 
Endless updates when PC is "Shut Down"

I have a rig that is endlessly updating when the PC is "Shut Down"
Two days ago I installed Bitdefender onto the PC (via down load on my laptop)
Then connected the PC to the router/web
Then updated Bitdefender

Last night 196 updates 10 hours later was still running
Tonight 132 updates still running now. after 2 hours.
There is no indicator of "what" is updating ... I can only assume Windows. Or worse a hijack.

Ctrl+Alt+Delete does not respond and there is no Start menu, just the default screen (not the BSOD)
with a msg...

Note   Note
Please do not power off or unplug your machine.
Installing updates xx of xxx


WiFi connection is set to manual. So I cannot see how there can be updates downloading unless MS Windows over-rides my settings.

The PC has been a stand alone (no internet connection) for the past 11 months, operating without any problems. Windows updates were disabled, I know because I had problems killing updates until I got help from "sevenforums.com"

When I finish posting this thread I will be turning the modem off.

Would appreciate some timely help -- it is 22:48 hrs here, way past my bedtime.

Thank you

PS: How do I suspend Windows updates until I fathom this problem out ?


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02 Feb 2014   #2
MattPanton

Windows 7 Professional x64
 
 

Hi there,

I've seen this issue before on a Win 7 machine, just out of curiosity have you checked which updates are being installed?? I've noticed a certain Office 2k10 update (the exact reference number escapes me) but after disabling this update (I hard powered down and started again to see what failed) all updates went through fine.

If you have this product installed, do check to see if there is one update that appears everytime you try to update.

To turn automatic updates off:

Open Run (either from start menu or press Windows+R)
Type WUAPP
In the window that opens on the left, click change settings.
In the box with the drop down options, select the bottom option (Don't check for updates)
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02 Feb 2014   #3
bawldiggle

XP/7x32 & x64/8x64/8.1x64
 
 

Just discovered Windows Updates settings was automatic

My laptop, on the web all day, is set to ask me and I decide what is updated and not.

The problem PC:
Is it possible that AV (Bitdefender) updates, undo Windows Updates settings. ?
Come to think of it BD did undo my Windows settings (about 8 months ago) on my laptop, and BD extended my AV by 3 months.
Nice bonus BUT ... AV should not interfere with Window settings.

328 updates is not reflected on the Updates list.
Because not all updates are necessary -- there are two categories "Recommended" and "Important"
I guess MS update everything !

I will set this thread as solved
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02 Feb 2014   #4
sdowney717

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

I think most updates are a total waste of time.
Windows is full of holes deliberately so I think for the sake of the government spies, wanting access they get it.
My HTPC, I installed windows 7, turned off updates.
Decided last month to go ahead update hundred plus what they call critical updates after a few years of no problems.
I have installed very few optional updates.
Mostly if it is working, I dont want an update to break something.

just a quick search shows this.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/...s-by-1999.html

Quote:
A careless mistake by Microsoft programmers has revealed that special access codes prepared by the US National Security Agency have been secretly built into Windows. The NSA access system is built into every version of the Windows operating system now in use, except early releases of Windows 95 (and its predecessors). The discovery comes close on the heels of the revelations earlier this year that another US software giant, Lotus, had built an NSA “help information” trapdoor into its Notes system, and that security functions on other software systems had been deliberately crippled.
Government can put malware right into device firmware, so everytime you turn it on, the PC is doing what they want and they can see it all. So it just reinfects every time you use whatever device.
Most people dont know a thing about this.

I would not doubt that some critical updates are enablers for improved government access!
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02 Feb 2014   #5
scr

1. Windows 7 Home Premium sp1 - 64bit 2. Windows 7 Pro sp1 - 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sdowney717 View Post
I think most updates are a total waste of time.
Windows is full of holes deliberately so I think for the sake of the government spies, wanting access they get it.
My HTPC, I installed windows 7, turned off updates.
Decided last month to go ahead update hundred plus what they call critical updates after a few years of no problems.
I have installed very few optional updates.
Mostly if it is working, I dont want an update to break something.

just a quick search shows this.
NSA Built Back Door In All Windows Software by 1999 Washington's Blog

Quote:
A careless mistake by Microsoft programmers has revealed that special access codes prepared by the US National Security Agency have been secretly built into Windows. The NSA access system is built into every version of the Windows operating system now in use, except early releases of Windows 95 (and its predecessors). The discovery comes close on the heels of the revelations earlier this year that another US software giant, Lotus, had built an NSA “help information” trapdoor into its Notes system, and that security functions on other software systems had been deliberately crippled.
Government can put malware right into device firmware, so everytime you turn it on, the PC is doing what they want and they can see it all. So it just reinfects every time you use whatever device.
Most people dont know a thing about this.

I would not doubt that some critical updates are enablers for improved government access!
I worry more about what's coming through the front door with corporations tracking my every move on the Internet then I do about the government at the back door.
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02 Feb 2014   #6
bigmck

Windows 7 Home Premium 32-Bit - Build 7600 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sdowney717 View Post
Government can put malware right into device firmware, so everytime you turn it on, the PC is doing what they want and they can see it all. So it just reinfects every time you use whatever device.
Most people dont know a thing about this.

I would not doubt that some critical updates are enablers for improved government access!
You have been watching the too much late night TV.
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02 Feb 2014   #7
sdowney717

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by bigmck View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sdowney717 View Post
Government can put malware right into device firmware, so everytime you turn it on, the PC is doing what they want and they can see it all. So it just reinfects every time you use whatever device.
Most people dont know a thing about this.

I would not doubt that some critical updates are enablers for improved government access!
You have been watching the too much late night TV.
Are we having fun yet?
ASFAIK, I don't do anything suspicious, or say anything dumb on the net, so the government interest in me should be low.

I do post on Christian Forums, so if Christianity was outlawed, my freedom to post would bring me into danger with the government, as happens in various places around the world.

Do you feel a loss of privacy knowing they can do what they want with you say and do? whether they do or not, they can if they want gather up lots of useless data.
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02 Feb 2014   #8
bawldiggle

XP/7x32 & x64/8x64/8.1x64
 
 

Hi MattPanton
I was typing when you posted.

My brain-cells were "refreshed" as I typed my post.
Remembed the Bitdefender extended my subscription on this laptop when BD update undid "Windows Updates " settings about 8 months ago.
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With 328 updates in 24 hours, Windows did it in two chunks over two nights.
First chunk:- Ten hours to download and update seemed excessive to me.
Second chunk:- about an hour
- ADSL2 so connection is decent, up to 800kb/sec (download) at 5am on any morning
- and about 15kb/sec when schoolies get home around 4pm.
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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by MattPanton
I've seen this issue before on a Win 7 machine, just out of curiosity have you checked which updates are being installed?? I've noticed a certain Office 2k10 update (the exact reference number escapes me) but after disabling this update (I hard powered down and started again to see what failed) all updates went through fine.
I too have found a lot of "Recommended" updates as superfluous.
Sure would like to know the KBxxxx you did without.

Now dreading the task of trawling through the updates lists checking each one "after the fact" to decide if to leave or delete
eg, PowerPoint is not even installed on the PC and yet there a lot of PP updates

My Win-2003 stand-alone PC has never been updated since 2003. WinXP
Has never skipped a beat, although no internet connection has helped it greatly.
Every one of my PCs/laptops with internet access, have over time, become unstable.
My standalone rigs never falter.

In defence of Win7 this Win7 Toshiba laptop is far more stable than my Acer WinXP. The Acer had to be clean installed about every 12 months -- it is soon to be clean installed with Win7
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02 Feb 2014   #9
gregrocker

 

Let's get back to what works best with WIn7, based on tens of thousands of cases we've helped with here where most of the Best Practices were developed for Win7 maintenance and repair.

Always have your Windows Updates set to Automatic.

Enable Automatically deliver drivers via Windows Update (Step 3) so you will get a richer selection of drivers provided.

Allow Windows Upates to install with however many reboots are required to sort itself out. Afterwards go back to Check for Updates and install all Important and Optional until there are no more.

May I suggest you use the AV which is nearly unanimously recommended here for all five years due to lack of issues caused. Uninstall Bitdefender and try Microsoft Security Essentials, update and run a full scan.

Just to be sure install now Malwarebytes, update and run a Fulll scan with it too.
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