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Windows 7: On reboot, all files revert to previous versions

27 Feb 2014   #11
MilesAhead

Windows 7 32 bit
 
 

Any chance you can clone the boot drive to another HD and boot from that? If it's proven conclusively it's only the SSD with the problem at least you can proceed from there.

The first thing I'd try is to see if you can use another drive to get back on the air with your current set of programs. If that works out then you can check into what to do about the SSD as far as warranty or replacement etc..

Edit: I'm no expert on how SSDs work. But someone mentioned they have a 20% capacity surplus and some fast memory for caching etc.. With "spinners" as the SSD guys call conventional HDs, once the file and hardware buffers are flushed to disk, files that have been changed are overwritten etc.. but I think with these SSD jobs the writes are stored in some combination of cache and temporary storage. Then at some point they will commit the write. But there may be some sleight of hand like with the deletions. The newly deleted areas are marked not available until they can be reconditioned or whatnot, for performance purposes.

I may not have the jargon right but the upshot is they just don't write files the way spinners do. For all we know some configuration setting could be reset to factory default and it could all work like new again. It's just we don't know what that is. At least that's the optimistic view.


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27 Feb 2014   #12
Garmy

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 

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If I edit a photo and scribble over it and save it, those pixels I drew over should be gone from existence.
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Do that while recording everything with Process Monitor.
This is pretty neat.. I had no idea just how much stuff was running behind the scenes. Did you want me to save a log of the save file events and share them? If so, how do I do that? I see almost everything is marked as SUCCESS, except for a few operations marked as BUFFER OVERFLOW and NAME NOT FOUND.


Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by MilesAhead View Post
Any chance you can clone the boot drive to another HD and boot from that? If it's proven conclusively it's only the SSD with the problem at least you can proceed from there.

The first thing I'd try is to see if you can use another drive to get back on the air with your current set of programs. If that works out then you can check into what to do about the SSD as far as warranty or replacement etc..
Unfortunately, I don't have another drive I can do this with.
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27 Feb 2014   #13
UsernameIssues

W7 Pro SP1 64bit
 
 

You can use File > Save.

Just leave everything at the default save settings.

Compress/zip using Windows (file) Explorer and see if it is small enough to upload to a post. If it is too big, we can work on some filtering,
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27 Feb 2014   #14
Garmy

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 

Here's the PML: http://www.develteam.com/userdata/Ga...ed/Logfile.zip

I opened MSPaint and opened the photo, then opened Procmon, then scribbled on the image, saved it, closed MSPaint, and then stopped the logging with Control+E in Procmon, then saved the output of it.
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27 Feb 2014   #15
UsernameIssues

W7 Pro SP1 64bit
 
 

Thanks for the log file. I'll look thru it in a little while. In the mean time, please do the same thing to a test photo while in the safe mode. Just the normal safe mode - not the safe mode with networking or any other things.

Safe Mode


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You can record with Process monitor if you want...
...but I was mainly wondering if the file changes stick if in the safe mode.
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27 Feb 2014   #16
Garmy

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 

No, the changes don't stick in safe mode. Edit: Btw, the changes (in both boot modes) stick UNTIL I reboot. So if I save the altered photo and close it, reopening it will retain the changes, until I reboot.
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27 Feb 2014   #17
UsernameIssues

W7 Pro SP1 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Garmy View Post
No, the changes don't stick in safe mode. Edit: Btw, the changes (in both boot modes) stick UNTIL I reboot. So if I save the altered photo and close it, reopening it will retain the changes, until I reboot.
Thanks... I was hoping to see some process anomaly that explained why that is. If the clue is in that Process Monitor log file, I'm not seeing it :-(

The fact that you cannot make a change stick while using another OS (e.g. booting to something other than the OS on the drive) points to a weird hardware issue....... but you knew that :-)

Either HD Tune barfed something during that scan or this weirdness was going to happen anyway.

You should probably turn your attention to running diagnostics on that drive. But that is not my area; so, I'll let the hardware guys help you (if you need help).
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27 Feb 2014   #18
Garmy

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 

Thank you for pouring over my process log.

I've done some more research and found many posts on forums by googling "SSD Time Warp" and "SSD Groundhog Day." I guess it's a somewhat common thing. The only fix I could find was to update the firmware (which I can't find for this drive), but almost all of these threads go unsolved. I guess it's just a thing with SSD's. I'm going to order a new drive, but it would a shame to toss this one out if there's a fix for it.
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27 Feb 2014   #19
UsernameIssues

W7 Pro SP1 64bit
 
 

Keep us posted :-)
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28 Feb 2014   #20
Kaktussoft

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bits 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Reboot from some linux live cd and put a few files on the disk. Those files are gone as well after reboot?
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