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Windows 7: Registry Help please!

11 Mar 2014   #1
JigsawPMB

Windows 7 Home Premium x64, Windows Vista Home Premium x??
 
 
Registry Help please!

I am new to this forum as well as new to the workings of Windows 7. I have a past degree in computers but am finding out my level of knowledge is way out of date! Thinking on what I knew of windows when I got my degree long ago tried to set user account permissions of what certain users can and can't do on a laptop I bought running Windows 7 Home Premium x64. Upon trying to access the "local security group policy editor" I found out it wasn't there. I googled some insite and from what I found out that the lower versions of windows 7 are missing key components that being one of them. Next I found out how you could add gpedit to my version of windows, this included a installer that altered the system 32 folder by adding group policy and group policy users along with the gpedit folders that the installer added files to. well in the end the "fix" didn't work, and it seems as though i'm not the only one it didn't work for. some say it worked exactly as it said it should both on the 32 and 64 bit OS. Now I am wondering if there is some way I can find out exactly what my registry should look like in these folders as it was on a fresh install. Or better yet...if anyone really knows exactly how to add gpedit and have the snap in work fully?


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11 Mar 2014   #2
UsernameIssues

W7 Pro SP1 64bit
 
 

As I understand it, gpedit is just a Graphic User Interface that lets the user make some changes to the registry. The "lower version" of Windows simply ignore most of these changes. However, I think that there are some registry changes that gpedit can make that all versions of Windows will honor.

So - some users will report success when they cram gpedit into "lower version" of Windows and other users will report failure. It all depends on what change they were attempting to make.

If I recall correctly, the registry change made by gpedit mentioned in this post is ignored by the "lower version" of Windows. There are things in W7 that are just broken. Those lucky enough to have purchased a "higher version" of Windows can sometimes force a work around via Group Polices (gpedit). See this post as an example: System Maintenance Troubleshooter - Turn On or Off Those using a "lower version" of Windows are just out of luck. W7 will delete the shortcuts once a week be default.
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11 Mar 2014   #3
Callender

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 
Group Policy Editor

This download and instructions worked for me on Windows 7 HP.

How to Enable ?Group Policy Editor? (gpedit.msc) in Windows 7 Home Premium, Home Basic and Starter Editions? - AskVG

If you'd like a handy reference tool to search Group Policy settings there's a good one here:

Group Policy Search

"Tree" can be filtered by policy view/ registry view.

"Filter" shows additional filter options that can be used depending upon your needs.

The standard advice applies: Make a system image backup before changing any settings. Just in case!
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11 Mar 2014   #4
JigsawPMB

Windows 7 Home Premium x64, Windows Vista Home Premium x??
 
 

thanks for pointing me in those directions. the group policy search link is helpful to have no matter if you need it now or not, sooner or later i'm sure we all have to look at it... however, the link you provided for the group policy editor I have already been through the ringer with, more times than I can keep track of anymore. I think now I'm at the point that I need a copy of what my original system, syswow64, and temp folders looked like before I ran the installer the first time. and who know's how many more folders. I don't understand why so many people have posted that it works wonderfully and perfectly etc...and a few of us (not counting the one's who can't find the folders mentioned in the instructions to start out with) cant make it work. I know i have done the steps! FRUSTRATED! Now...I just want to know how to work with how to be able to give or restrict user accounts from doing certain things without having to have the gui of the policy editor. thank you
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11 Mar 2014   #5
UsernameIssues

W7 Pro SP1 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by JigsawPMB View Post
...I just want to know how to work with how to be able to give or restrict user accounts from doing certain things without having to have the gui of the policy editor. thank you
Before you remove (or try to remove) gpedit from your computer, please post a screenshot of ONE user restriction that is not working for you.

Screenshots and Files - Upload and Post in Seven Forums

Maybe Callender can test it for you to see if that ONE restriction works on his modified W7 Home Premium system.


Also, what are the user restriction that you would like to put into place? Perhaps we can come up with a solution.
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12 Mar 2014   #6
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

I would suggest reading carefully this Tutorial by Brink.

Local Group Policy Editor - Open

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Warning
  • You will need to be an administrator to open the Local Group Policy Editor.
  • In Windows 7, the Local Group Policy Editor will only be available in the Professional, Ultimate, and Enterpise editions.
  • In Windows RT, 8, and 8.1, the Local Group Policy Editor will only be available in the Pro and Enterpise editions.

JigsawPMB system specs.

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OS Windows 7 Home Premium x64, Windows Vista Home Premium x??
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12 Mar 2014   #7
Callender

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 
Try using Administrator Account

Try using the Administrator Account to install.

Built-in Administrator Account - Enable or Disable



Try right clicking the setup file and choose "run as administrator" if the option is available.
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12 Mar 2014   #8
Callender

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 
Workaround

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by UsernameIssues View Post

If I recall correctly, the registry change made by gpedit mentioned in this post is ignored by the "lower version" of Windows. There are things in W7 that are just broken. Those lucky enough to have purchased a "higher version" of Windows can sometimes force a work around via Group Polices (gpedit). See this post as an example: System Maintenance Troubleshooter - Turn On or Off Those using a "lower version" of Windows are just out of luck. W7 will delete the shortcuts once a week be default.
Hi,

What you are saying above is correct! However on my machine a registry hack will enable the option shown in this post - it involves taking ownership of a registry key then creating a new Dword value to enable fast user switching. For some reason the option doesn't seem to exist by default.

Registry Help please!-always-wait.jpg

Registry Help please!-fast-user-switching.jpg

As for the broken shortcuts and system maintenance troubleshooter issue - it's been solved on my machine but that was a long time ago and I don't remember exactly how. I seem to remember disabling the \Microsoft\Windows\Diagnosis task in task scheduler as well as preventing the TS_BrokenShortcuts.ps1 script from ever running along with editing a few lines in the script. Then a manual check for broken shortcuts is required.

You are also correct to say that some options in Group Policy Editor are not available in lower versions of Windows 7. The main reason that I installed gpedit in the first place was to enable windows to call antivirus programs when opening attachments. If the AV fails to scan then opening of the attachment is blocked. To me that was an additional security measure worth having!


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12 Mar 2014   #9
JigsawPMB

Windows 7 Home Premium x64, Windows Vista Home Premium x??
 
 

I have played with the files that were contained in the gpedit downloader. I changed some values that I stumbled accross from another post somewhere on a "throw away" machine running the same OS and version. Now I have a working policy editor. I haven't had the time to exactly see if what I change in the policy editor will stay in tact once I make the changes and restrictions I would like to do. I basically was after a GUI to edit what the standard account can do and see in windows 7. This is the first OS I have ever worked in that is a home level program. I have Vista Home but HATED it from the time i first fired up the machine and never bothered to learn it. I was specifically looking for a way to restrict the standard user in 7 to not be able to check "view all hidden files and folder". A simple thing that turned into this due to no GUI policy editor, and I haven't been in the programmers loop for some time so I couldn't remember my way around doing it DOS registry style.
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12 Mar 2014   #10
Callender

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 
Possible workaround

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