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Windows 7: I'm a Late Adopter - Do Not Want Win 8.1 - Is My Purchase Genuine?

29 Mar 2014   #11
baumgrenze

Win 7 Pro 64
 
 

You miss the real point. Microsoft also misses the point. As a committed long-time user I am being driven from the Microsoft platform.

I came to this forum looking for some useful input on Windows 7. I guess I looked in the wrong place. I was told that a Microsoft COA contains information that should not be shared. I can only conclude that none of those who attacked my initial post have ever looked at a Microsoft product in a retail box. The COA is right there for anyone who picks it up to see.

I am on the cusp of downloading Ubuntu and burning a copy to a bootable DVD to see if I can adjust.

My guess is it will be more pleasant and less of a hassle than Win8 and it will be totally legal.

In 1982 I tried the AppleII+ and was never entranced by the Apple straitjacket. In 1985 I bought my first PC, a PC's Limited AT clone from Michael Dell (before he put his name on his products.) It ran on Billl Gates' and Microsoft's DOS. It was followed by a series of machines, all running Microsoft operating systems.

If you want another 'simple search project' to to find a list of which sellers of software are on Microsoft's approved list. Hint, you need to know that they are called "Microsoft Certified Partners" or you will never find anything. Even with that string finding a simple list is a difficult task.

Good night friends,

baumgrenze


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29 Mar 2014   #12
strollin

W10 Pro desktop, W10 laptop, W10 laptop, W10 Pro tablet (all 64-bit)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by baumgrenze View Post
... I can only conclude that none of those who attacked my initial post ...
There's your problem right there - no one "attacked" your initial post. What you took as an attack was actually members of this forum attempting to look out for you.
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29 Mar 2014   #13
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

I really don't know what your problem is. You apparently have difficulties accepting realities.

I wish you lots of luck with Ubuntu - which I have used for 5 years and can still not figure out. You will especially like the new Unity UI compared to which Windows 8.1 is a piece of cake.

You should know that we have no association whatsoever with Microsoft and can really care less what you will be doing.
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29 Mar 2014   #14
UsernameIssues

W7 Pro SP1 64bit
 
 

Searching for images of W7 boxes shows lots of COA stickers on the outside of the box. That makes me wonder why those at MS told the OP that the box would need to be opened in order to see the COA?
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29 Mar 2014   #15
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by baumgrenze View Post
Keeping my path simple involves 'staying on the path.' I have a machine running WinXP/Pro. I am trying to upgrade it to Win7/Pro/64bit. The hardware will work. Buying and installing an OEM copy is 'cutting corners' and not 'staying on the path.' I have in hand a product that a vendor ostensibly purchased from Microsoft and wants to sell to me. I'm having a hard time getting a straightforward answer.

I would appreciate it if someone would address the simple difference between a COA (Certificate of Authenticity) and a product code/activation code.

Thanks,

baumgrenze
The COA is a sticker located on the outside of the plastic case across the joint between the two halves of the case and is supposed to help ensure that one actually gets a genuine product. There is no guarantee unless, even if you have seen them, because, though it is difficult, it is possible to crack open the case without damaging the seal and slip out the card with the activation code, then slip it back into the case (I tried it on one of mine before actually opening it just to see if I could), then reshrinkwrap it (I didn't try that but the equipment needed is easy enough to find online) and because the counterfeiters have gotten pretty good.

The activation code is a sticker stuck to the card on the inside of the case. You will not be able to see it until you open the case.

The point many people have been trying to make is there are only a few online vendors left that are safe to buy Win 7 from. I personally recommend only getting it from NewEgg if buying online (Tiger Direct is also probably safe but I've seen too many bad reviews about them for other reasons; Microcenter is also probably safe but I have had no experience with them). I also used to recommend Fry's Electronics but they don't stock even OEM anymore.

Retail is simply not available anymore except at outrageous prices from a handful of dodgy vendors. OEM is the same product as Retail, the only difference being that OEM is locked to the motherboard once it has been installed and can't be used on another computer like Retail can. There is no reason that you can't use OEM instead of Retail as long as your hardware is compatible (if you haven't used the Windows 7 Upgrade Advisor, I strongly recommend you go here to download it to verify that your hardware will indeed support Win 7). You simply do NOT need Retail to "stay on the path" and OEM is NOT "cutting corners".

BTW, the reason the M$ reps wanted you to open the case to get to the activation code is so they can verify someone hasn't already used it.
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29 Mar 2014   #16
baumgrenze

Win 7 Pro 64
 
 

Jeannie,

Thank you for a logical, straightforward answer. It is good to know that my research on the function of the COA is not flawed.

I posted the COA image because I was interested in input from people who might recognize a flaw in it, someone with more experience regarding what looks right and proper for a retail COA and what does not.

I remain disappointed by those who ‘protected me from my own stupidity’ when I included it in my post. I’d like an explanation why it should not be restored. If another copy is needed, I’ll be glad to supply it.

I, too, have read about the increased sophistication of the counterfeiters. I was disheartened to read that the 'activation process' is not the last hurdle in determining if a product is not a counterfeit. I readily found posts that reported examples of activated products that were declared counterfeit more than a year after installation. Apparently Microsoft waits until some critical level (undefined) of multiple activations with the same code before they declare all of them illegal. I don't understand the language of a post that reported that activation generates a "hash code" which is compared with the product ID. Perhaps it makes sense to you. What is clear is that Microsoft does not maintain a database of all the activation codes they have issued, shifting those that have been activated from one heap (new) to another heap (used.) Somehow that seems cavalier even if it is more cost effective for Microsoft.

Thank you, too, for your signature tagline about RAID. You drove me to read much of an angry exchange on whirlpool.net.au. I think I see better than I did before. When I bought my current machine I specified that the OS/Program file HDDs should be in RAID1. I’ve had more than one failure and appreciated how quickly I was able to get back up and running. That experience led me to install a second 500 GB drive so that my data is also in RAID1. Until now I didn’t appreciate that there are malicious people who might trash both drives simultaneously just because they can. I will try to wrap my 74-year-old mind around the solutions without becoming enmeshed in an all-consuming task. My computer is a tool, not my sole life interest. That’s why I waited with upgrading. That’s why I am ‘testy’ about being forced to fix an operating system that isn’t broken but soon will be for lack of support.

Thanks again for your patience.

baumgrenze
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29 Mar 2014   #17
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

Not sure they are all dodgy vendors. However, it is so popular, it isn't cheap.

The OP has already bought it anyhow.

The question was how can he tell it is legit?

The sticker he posted originally is fine. It does not show the product key.

Not surprised he said goodnight.

I don't know how you can check if a key has been blacklisted.
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29 Mar 2014   #18
gregrocker

 

Call MS Customer service. They confirm the key and if it doesn't work open a Support case to get it installed by whatever means necessary.
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29 Mar 2014   #19
baumgrenze

Win 7 Pro 64
 
 

Thank you all for the supportive messages today.

I'm now inclined to open and install and take my chances. This has sure been a roller-coaster experience. Perhaps there are still steep drops to come. I hope not.

I tried asking at answers.microsoft (their community) and someone "microsoft engineer" gratuitously changed my posting subject so that it matched his answer rather than my question. Of all places, that was one where I thought I would find helpful, experienced eyes. Instead I was pointed to a MS website (not very helpful) featuring today's COA.

I will leave this 'unsolved' so that I can come back and close with my actual experience. Perhaps I will also add a note about the vendor if I think it appropriate. For those who suggested checking Newegg I suggest a Google search of this string "Newegg negative reviews." In particular, scan through some of the trustpilot posts.

Thanks again,

baumgrenze

FWIW, I went back and edited the OP and reattached the image.
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29 Mar 2014   #20
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by baumgrenze View Post
Thank you all for the supportive messages today.

I'm now inclined to open and install and take my chances. This has sure been a roller-coaster experience. Perhaps there are still steep drops to come. I hope not.

I tried asking at answers.microsoft (their community) and someone "microsoft engineer" gratuitously changed my posting subject so that it matched his answer rather than my question. Of all places, that was one where I thought I would find helpful, experienced eyes. Instead I was pointed to a MS website (not very helpful) featuring today's COA.

I will leave this 'unsolved' so that I can come back and close with my actual experience. Perhaps I will also add a note about the vendor if I think it appropriate. For those who suggested checking Newegg I suggest a Google search of this string "Newegg negative reviews." In particular, scan through some of the trustpilot posts.

Thanks again,

baumgrenze

FWIW, I went back and edited the OP and reattached the image.
Could you provide a link (or links) to the posts you are referring to? I did the search and there were too many links to wade through.

NewEgg and its customer service have been slipping quite a bit the past year. However, I never have seen any reviews stating users received counterfeit software from NewEgg, unlike reviews I've seen on Amazon (both for Amazon itself as well as Amazon's Marketplace vendors).
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