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Windows 7: Windows Explorer: how can I hide. . . that which is already hidden??

18 Apr 2014   #1
Phil314

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 
Windows Explorer: how can I hide. . . that which is already hidden??

OK. I admit to being baffled about this. And nothing on the 'Net seems of any help.

I'm fairly new to Windows 7 though not to computers. I loathed the "Libraries" feature which to me seemed yet more unwanted Microsoft clutter so have deployed established registry hacks to get rid of 'Favorites', 'Libraries' and 'Homegroup'. Now I'm back to something simple and straightforward the way it used to be in Vista. Except:

The left pane of my Windows Explorer now shows a blue colored oblong folder entitled 'Desktop' with the familiar folder beneath it with the name of this computer. Let's call it, um, Arthur.

Opening Arthur reveals the following in this order of sequence:
AppData
Contacts
Desktop
Documents

Well I sure as heck don't want to see AppData there. Nor Contacts. And as for this second 'Desktop' . .. why? So-oo. . . I've repeatedly used the folder viewing optioins choice to ensure that system files are hidden and that hidden files, folders and drives stay hidden.

But AppData is still there. Still showing.

I've roamed around the 'Net looking for a solution but every post I've read is from users wanting to *find* their AppData folder. Me, I just want to hide it. Help appreciated!

PS: The registry hacks may have caused this. But I don't see how. There are likely many thousands of Windows 7 users who don't want Microsoft bloat making life more complex, more cluttered, than it needs to be and none of them have reported the appearance of AppData, Contacts and a second Desktop in the named computer folder.


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18 Apr 2014   #2
bawldiggle

XP/7x32 & x64/8x64/8.1x64
 
 

Hi Phil314

Like you I don't use the libraries.

Windows Explorer: how can I hide. . . that which is already hidden??-hidden-libraries.png

And I only have Win7 32bit, maybe 64-bit is structured differently
My Win8 is in mothballs awaiting downgrade to Win7

From experience ...

Desktop:
- if you hide the "first" Desktop you also hide C: drive

AppData:
- on my Win7 Home Premium 32bit "AppData" is buried in ... C:\Users\Owner\AppData
- when you open your AppData what is the full path

Libraries:
Tutorial: Libraries Folder - Add or Remove from Navigation Pane

Favorites:
Tutorial Favorites - Add or Remove from Navigation Pane

Hope this helps, even if just to check your already-made changes


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18 Apr 2014   #3
Phil314

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 

Hi GrayGhost2: Many, many thanks for riding to the rescue!

Yup, your reporting of the App Data location is exactly where I'd expect to find it. But for some unfathomable reason, the location of the folder on this Windows 7 x64 computer is:

C:\Users\User

3.15Gb in size containing 9,077 files in 1,542 folders. Iyi yiyiyiyi . . .

For which reason, I want to hide it; I'd hate the thought of somehow losing the folder (and with it, the computer's functionality.) But as noted, it won't. . . Hide.

I'm wondering whether to move it to a safer location, such as the one you mentioned -- but then, I've no idea if the move will be terminally disruptive. . . nor have I the foggiest notion as to how it came to be where it is anyway. Unless Win7 x64 locates it there. But that makes no sense to me either (well, it makes about as much sense as everything else Microsoft has done with Windows 7. I do wish I'd stuck to Windows 3.1.)

I'm going to follow the links you kindly provided because it may very well be that I've messed up somehow on my registry changes (they're all reversible; I exported the keys before doing anything else.)
I'll let you know how I get on. Meantime: very sincere thanks again for helping like this -- much appreciated!
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18 Apr 2014   #4
Ztruker

Windows 10 Pro X64
 
 

AppData appears when you show hidden folders, files and drives in Folder Options View tab of Control Panel.
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18 Apr 2014   #5
bawldiggle

XP/7x32 & x64/8x64/8.1x64
 
 

Hi Atrucker
My 32bit Win7 has both "hide" settings to "True", but AppData is always visible.
I notice (my) C:\Users\Owner folder has a padlock. At first Win7 was so exasperating I went in all guns blazing at security settings, and I did not document anything much at all.
So maybe (my) AppData is caught up in my early slash-and-burn approach to Security settings ?

I wonder if Phil's AppData is a shortcut ? I am no expert, my curiosity is piqued.
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18 Apr 2014   #6
bawldiggle

XP/7x32 & x64/8x64/8.1x64
 
 

Hi Phil314
My PC experience started with Amstrad then Win-3.1 > Win-95.
I vaguely remember WinXP was a shock .. days/weeks of frustration ... up until 12 months ago she was my mistress (till death us do part)

My first Win-7 came very late (2012) on a new laptop to replace a sick XP laptop
In disgust I left Win-7 in the box for about 10 months and struggled on with the crippled XP beast.
Eventually I just had to tackle Win-7 again ... so frustrating ... wife banished me to my cave. I had invented a new dictionary.

This forum saved my sanity. At first I was CONVINCED XP was the pinnacle of MS Windows, and that Win-7 was the end.
It took about 6 months before I conceded Win-7 is a vast improvement on XP.

One thing I cannot let go of is the simplicity of the XP start menu
With ClassicShell (free) installed ... my beloved XP wrinkles are back. See image below

To start with I really missed the Quick Start toolbar ... on Win-7 you can recreate it (but it is no longer an embedded toolbar)
Personally I have abandoned the QuickStart toolbar and adopted the start-menu coupled with keyboard shortcuts. (XP limited short-cut keys to the Start menu only ... Win-7 allows Shortcut-keys on any sub-menu on the start menu

The most frustrating Win-7 challenge for me was the security.
In hind sight my XP laptop had to be clean installed about every 6 to 8 months.
This Win-7 laptop has been in service for 15 months, I have given it a hiding with experimental programs.
(I was not smart enough to know about restore points) and it is still stable ... light years ahead of XP.

I do have an XP rig 2003 that has never seen an internet connection, and it still works a treat (with AutoCad)

Now that I have had a Win-7 epiphany the XP rig AND the comatose XP laptop are to be clean installed with Win-7, when I make the time (as well as downgrading a Win-8 rig to Win-7)

From one Luddite to another ... I highly recommend ...
  • Classic Shell (for an XP style Start + menu)
  • This sevenforums.com forum is brilliant ... there are some very clever contributors with a lot of expertise.
  • a trial-separation from XP (ouch)
  • Embrace Win-7 (as best you can), it will be a gradual process
  • Win-7 security is excellent
  • Invest in decent AV (some on this forum will disagree with me). I use Bitdefender
    - check out Anti virus comparisons
  • Malwarebytes (free)
  • Kari's An old geeks approach to setting up a windows PC ... his bark is worse than his bite.
  • Tutorials on this forum are endless
Regards
the-bald-one

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18 Apr 2014   #7
Ztruker

Windows 10 Pro X64
 
 

You could give Tweaking.com's Windows repair All-In-One a try. Run just the first two fixes,

Reset Registry Permissions
Reset File Permissions
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18 Apr 2014   #8
Britton30
Microsoft MVP

Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1
 
 

Maybe I missed something. Why do you want these files hidden? They will, and should, still be there whether or not you can see them.
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19 Apr 2014   #9
Phil314

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Ztruker View Post
AppData appears when you show hidden folders, files and drives in Folder Options View tab of Control Panel.
Hi Zucker: Er, I've already made that point clear . . . Whichever way one gets into folder options, be it via the Control Panel or using the 'Organize' tab and drop-down menu in Windows Explorer itself, AppData appears when you don't show hidden folders, files and drives. I know. I'm staring at the set-up right now: "Don't show hidden files, folders or drives" and "Hide protected operating system files 'Recommended'." The check boxes for both are ticked. . .

. . . But AppData continues to be just as visible as if those boxes were unticked -- hence why I posted in the first place.
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19 Apr 2014   #10
Phil314

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Britton30 View Post
Maybe I missed something. Why do you want these files hidden? They will, and should, still be there whether or not you can see them.
Hi Britton30: I take the view (inapposite but unintended pun) that the reason for creating folder hiding options in the first place was to prevent system critical stuff from being visible and therefore vulnerable to accidental loss. I don't want my AppData folder to be erased through some currently unthinkable yet always possible cock-up -- a cock-up which somehow, in some way, may already have occurred, because what the heck this folder is doing in its current bonkers location (a location that perhaps, though only *perhaps*, explains why folder hiding simply isn't working) I don't know.

Hiding critical files and folders from a user is the first stage in idiot-proofing a computer. And me, shameful though it is to admit, I'm an idiot.
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