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Windows 7: Win8 upgrade experience

16 Jun 2014   #61
Indianatone

Windows 7 x64 Ultimate and numerous virtual machines
 
 

OK so let me get this right. I have Seven on an SSD and 8.1 on a spinner drive. They are separate and one should not know about the other except for boot entries and 8.1 is deleting and interfering with 7? I do not use that shadow copy except for back ups with Macrium. Is my 7 install OK or do I need to read up on this?


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16 Jun 2014   #62
DavidE

Multi-Boot W7_Pro_x64 W8.1_Pro_x64 W10_Pro_x64
 
 

I have Restore Points turned off in Win 7, I turned them off a long time because I use (and trust) System Backup Images.
So I can't say for sure Win 8 will delete Win 7 Restore Points.
I have System Restore turned on in Win 8 as I've been testing and checking things ...
I can say for sure Booting Win 7 will delete Win 8 Restore Points.

You can test it by:
- Create a Win 7 Restore Point (or make sure you have some)
- Boot up Win 8
- Shut down Win 8
- Boot up Win 7
- See if you still have Restore Point(s)

It doesn't really matter if they are on separate drives.
Can you see the other OS drive in Windows Explorer and/or Disk Management ?
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16 Jun 2014   #63
Boozad

W7 Pro x64 SP1 | W10 Pro IP x64 | W8.1 Pro x64 VM | Linux Mint VM
 
 

If W8 does delete 7's Restore Points, it hasn't been doing it to mine.

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16 Jun 2014   #64
Slartybart

x64 (6.3.9600) Win8.1 Pro & soon dual boot x64 (6.1.7601) Win7_SP1 HomePrem
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post
Yea Bing desktop/ Bing bar and Silverlight are all optional updates I passed on no different than win-7,
All other optional updates got loaded though and of course important ones
Interesting I came up with a blank on top right/ search all,
All I got was search online ?

That is odd. Just to be sure, you mean the Start menu search, right?

I modified the image to include the Search icon - it isn't a tweak, just shopped it with Gimp

Win8 upgrade experience-search.png

What do you have set for Search options?

Open an explorer window,
maximize the ribbon (untick minimize the ribbon)
select the view "tab"

(you might want to add options to the quick access toolbar - right click options)

click options (far right) (or that tiny icon on the title bar, near "file"
then click change folder and search options
you know where to go after that

I only have System files ticked.

There's probably some other Search settings, you might want to check EF tutorials.


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16 Jun 2014   #65
Slartybart

x64 (6.3.9600) Win8.1 Pro & soon dual boot x64 (6.1.7601) Win7_SP1 HomePrem
 
 

While I was resetting the machine to "just the way I like it" and resolving issues I created by experimenting with a user profile not on C: - the machine became severely fragmented - 33%, and I noticed that I lost about 4GB.

I wasn't doing anything drastic... changing icons on shortcuts, changing permissions on same shortcuts...
I notices that some of my start menu shortcuts no longer worked (nope, these were not the shortcuts I changed permissions and icons - - Skype and MS store launch, but do nothing!)

The pagefile had grown (there's the "missing" space) and it was also what was fragmented.

I have 6 GB ram - I'm setting a initial (3072) and maximum (4098) pagefile. In other words, I'm not going to let Windows manage the pagefile. There's plenty of discussion about pagefile.... and I've played with it on many systems.

Windows recommends 3962 for my system and it is currently pegged at 5632.
It was 1600 before the fragmentation.

If you're not comfortable messing around with pagefile, just let Windows manage it. Both too small or too large have performance issues.
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16 Jun 2014   #66
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

I don't use the system restore program.

However shadow copies are very useful. They are not the same thing.
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16 Jun 2014   #67
Slartybart

x64 (6.3.9600) Win8.1 Pro & soon dual boot x64 (6.1.7601) Win7_SP1 HomePrem
 
 

Seems as though every time I login, the disk is fragmented 3-5% according to Defraggler (MS defrag flashes though the operation). This reminds me of days long gone and better forgotten.

I'm going to move on to other system "optimizations" and see what Black Viper has on 8.1 Services.
http://www.blackviper.com/service-co...onfigurations/

I used his excellent work as a reference to "tune" my Win7 system. There are scripts, but each machine is different and results will vary. I think it's better to select the services manually and determine the startup type (or disable/enable state).

UPnP and it's companions, and TCPIP helper (NetBIOS) are two that I recall off the top of my head that I don't use and can safely disable.

There are a bunch more that I have no need to have running, but you might so I won't list those. A lot of it depends on how you use networks.
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16 Jun 2014   #68
ThrashZone

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
 
 

Interesting assessment I've personally never had any issues with windows system restore,
Don't use it but did use system cleanup to get rid of all but the last before shrinking my C-drive for win-8 partition,
Defrag was at 5% from 2% but shrinking it just increased the fragmentation which I;m running now,
I'll check out what's up with the 8 side later,
Cheers for the heads up
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16 Jun 2014   #69
lehnerus2000

W7 Ultimate SP1, LM18 MATE, W10IP VM, W10 Home, #All 64 bit
 
 

Maybe if you move the Pagefile to a different partition you will experience less fragmentation.

I have my W7 Pagefile and Linux Mint Swap partitions on different HDDs from the operating systems.
My XP pagefile is on a RAM disk.
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16 Jun 2014   #70
RealPetChicken

Windows Seven Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

I was getting used to windows 8 but it wasn't playing nice with a new pc I built. Oh well.
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