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Windows 7: Windows functions that worked in XP fail in Win7 - permissions?

26 Jul 2014   #11
andrew129260

Windows 10 Pro
 
 

I don't suggest turning uac off. It kinda defeats the purpose of having a more up to date OS when you turn off one of its main security features.


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26 Jul 2014   #12
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04 Aug 2014   #13
MikeE6410

W7U 32b
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by andrew129260 View Post
I don't suggest turning uac off. It kinda defeats the purpose of having a more up to date OS when you turn off one of its main security features.
Well yes. But for the same reason I don't fit keylocks to every door in my house, I don't expect to authorise every application EVERY TIME. If it asked me once, then monitored for example the date code, size and location of the executable, then it would not have to be so annoying. If the system is clean and the entry points are monitored, that should suffice.
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04 Aug 2014   #14
andrew129260

Windows 10 Pro
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by MikeE6410 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by andrew129260 View Post
I don't suggest turning uac off. It kinda defeats the purpose of having a more up to date OS when you turn off one of its main security features.
Well yes. But for the same reason I don't fit keylocks to every door in my house, I don't expect to authorise every application EVERY TIME. If it asked me once, then monitored for example the date code, size and location of the executable, then it would not have to be so annoying. If the system is clean and the entry points are monitored, that should suffice.
While that sounds like a good idea, malware is much more tricky then that. That would not be a good enough solution. Even if you used file hashes/md5 that would not be enough. Malware can easily mask that as well. It is your system, so it is up to you.

But It is just one extra click. But if your rush through the prompts without looking at them anyway, maybe you should turn it off. Many applications ask for admin rights when they have absolutely no reason to need that kind of level access. This is actually the reason UAC was made. Microsoft is/has been trying since vista to push developers to make more secure applications. There was a study done somewhere ( I would have to find it again) where only 1 out of 12 applications that ask for admin level access actually need it. Most program creators are lazy and have there applications run as admin because it is "easier". Proper coded apps do not ask for admin rights (thus no uac Prompt) unless they actually need it for the task they are doing. Security software for instance, does need admin level rights. A lot of others don't.
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06 Aug 2014   #15
MikeE6410

W7U 32b
 
 

Thanks, I appreciate the reponse. I will point out though that it has the framework of a number of IT reponses I have had over the years: don't fix the product, train the entire user base to put up with it. I work in automotive: we don't blame customers for driving uneconomically, although they undoubtably do, we change the cars to make them more economical in-spite of this.

If 12x as many applications asked just once then I would still find that acceptable. It's the fact that the same application (for example I use 'everything' search engine) asks me 12x a day. If Win7 trains me that I click through because every time I run an application I have to click through, then yes, I am unlikely to read the prompt. If it's going to do something different, then the difference should be give me the click through for the exception, then I'll read it. If you think that checking size/location/name/datecode/disk journal is insufficient then run a CRC check on a random part of the executable, or use key encryption on the file, or ask me first time and move it to a non-standard location. Within the sphere of software engineering there will be a solution.
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