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Windows 7: Inexplicable (to me, at least) sleep problem

24 Jul 2014   #11
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

Any one of those programs in that very long list of startup programs could of updated and changed how the computer works. So because it didn't use to do this with all those startup programs to me means nothing.
We are all just one update away from a problem if the update doesn't work well with your system.


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25 Jul 2014   #12
Not Myself

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Quoth Andrew:

Now to the issue at hand:


@Not Myself

While I do find and agree that that is a long startup list, if it suddenly started happening last week that is a key point there. (although you really should disable some of them, a lot of them are unnecessary but it is your machine.)

Basic troubleshooting 101:

1.) Has any applications updated in the last week since when the issue began?

2.) Another thing that would be smart to do is find each program that is in your startup list and check the change log on there website and see what was changed. Another idea is too look into their forums and see if anyone is reporting a similar issue.

3.) If you did a system restore back to the time it was working and this solves the issue at hand, we then can look into what program is causing it.

4.) Did you get a new mouse/keyboard/hardware lately?

5.) Try and deselect an application from starting at boot in msconfig one at a time, and then see if a certain program is causing it.

6.) Please see this guide: Wake Source - Read Event Viewer Log to see what it reports is waking it.[/QUOTE]

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I'm still not myself, but here's my reply:

All of the startup programs that I have added are for programs that I use and/or are ones that monitor things I use or do, so, no, I won't disable them, as they are needed for my purposes.

Last night, when I saw that the computer was still asleep, I had to wake the monitor to put the machine to sleep, as the manual sleep keys does that anyway. I saw your email about your latest contribution, which later led me to recall that WinPatrol had had two updates recently.

This morning, the first thing I did, with but little hope, was to exit WinPatrol, then set sleep to one minute. To my great surprise, both the monitor and computer went to sleep. I should have tested sleep before exiting WinPatrol, so my test of exiting the program was not, unfortunately conclusive. I did not run the sleep test first, assuming that, as the computer had not gone to sleep last night, sleep was not working.

I subsequently found that there was another WinPatrol update yesterday, to fix a few errors in the previous version, none of which seemed to be connected to the sleep problem I've been encountering, but I have no way of knowing if there might be a connection.

I now have at least one possible culprit to test. If no luck, then I shall progress to your other suggestions.
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25 Jul 2014   #13
gregrocker

 

If you'd simply disable all Startups for a single reboot to see if the problem recurs, then you'd know that is what it's about without having to read logs for hours.

May I ask what WinPatrol is needed to start up with Windows for? To monitor startups? I think you're beyond that. You have enough startups to choke a horse.
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25 Jul 2014   #14
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

All ready chocked one horse to death and working on the second one.

Example from my computer and it works just fine.

Inexplicable (to me, at least) sleep problem-msconfig-startup.png


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25 Jul 2014   #15
Not Myself

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
If you'd simply disable all Startups for a single reboot to see if the problem recurs, then you'd know that is what it's about without having to read logs for hours.

May I ask what WinPatrol is needed to start up with Windows for? To monitor startups? I think you're beyond that. You have enough startups to choke a horse.
1. WinPatrol does quite a bit more than monitoring startups, so, as with my other personal startup items, it is of little use if it does not run at all times. WinPatrol has some twelve separate functions.

2. I could disable all startups, of course, and if my WinPatrol theory does not pan out, that would be a reasonable next step. Unfortunately, if that does work, then I'd have to re-enable a few startups, then spend several hours to see if the problem recurs, and so on. I need to find and fix the culprit, I'm just tired of testing, knowing that testing is nonetheless the likely answer.

3. Could we please drop the discussion about my startup list? It has been that way for several years, and, as I have stated, it does what I want and/or need, so it shall remain as it is. It not only does not cause problems, it allows me to run my computer as I see fit. I don't care what others say, they are not me, they don't use my computer. Right now, I'm using 5% CPU, 53% Ram, not even close to choking a horse; WinPatrol, for example, is using a grand total of 0% CPU, 6572K Ram, about the equivalent of perhaps a teaspoon of oats.
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25 Jul 2014   #16
gregrocker

 

I am referring to issues, not resources, and you have issues.

Startup programs put you at their mercy instead of what we know is a perfect OS. As Jack pointed out, at any time an Update can conflict with a poorly-written startup. They are also almost all spying on you to gain valuable consumer information they can use or sell. Best to minimize them.

Good luck.
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25 Jul 2014   #17
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

Not Myself please don't confuse me with someone that wants to argue because I don't.
You can use your computer anyway you desire. You asked for help and that was the help I offered.
You most certainly don't have to follow anybody's recommendations or suggestions if you don't care to. It's your computer.

You have 71 programs in your msconfig Startup and if that is what you think you need it's fine with me.
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25 Jul 2014   #18
Not Myself

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
Not Myself please don't confuse me with someone that wants to argue because I don't.
You can use your computer anyway you desire. You asked for help and that was the help I offered.
You most certainly don't have to follow anybody's recommendations or suggestions if you don't care to. It's your computer.

You have 71 programs in your msconfig Startup and if that is what you think you need it's fine with me.
So, you want to spoil my date by not arguing? Shucks....

Examples of what is in my startup conglomeration: Mouse, password manager, SuperAntiSpyware, Free Download Manager (and at least one that I thought I had removed,) or, in other words, as previously stated, nearly all are things that are supposed to be there. I don't really know what the Intel entries are, perhaps the built-in Intel graphics in my Core-i5 chip--but do know that the one time I disabled at least one or two of those in testing for whatever I was testing at the time, I had a difficult time getting the computer to reboot. I was able to get it to boot into safe mode, which by itself restored the disabled Intel entries to the enabled state.

(Oh, yes, thanks for your message, which does completely clarify your position. I don't know why the startup list was even raised as an issue, other than yesterday's message asking if anything in the list had been updated recently, a quite reasonable question.)
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25 Jul 2014   #19
Not Myself

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

I stated, quite clearly that all the startup items that I put there are for programs that I use constantly. I could remove those startup entries and then start each program manually after booting; I prefer to simplify matters by letting the computer start for me those things that I would otherwise start one at a time.

I have no idea whatsoever as to why there are other startup entries, nor do I care, nor have I cared, nor shall I care, given that the entire set of startup entries has worked correctly for now over two years, and likely much longer than that (this computer was more or less cloned from an older one, which would have had much the same startup set.) The startup set not being broken, I shall not fix it.

I don't care one whit what some contrived document says I should do, given that what I do do is what I should do. Those who want to use the document are free to do so, but to accuse me of making blatantly false statements is beyond the pale, and is not something you have any right to do.
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25 Jul 2014   #20
ThrashZone

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
 
 

If I hadn't asked for your startup and services screen shots I would of asked for your uninstall a program list,
Which I suppose they are the same size in your case
The only difference would be the uninstall a program list might show Installed dates "if" the page view is setup correctly,
The startup and services is usually the easiest for an op to gather "in a normal world" your being not so normal

That is exactly why I asked for the list to see what we here at SevenForums are facing by attempting to help others and yourself,
Resistance is futile
Cheers.
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