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Windows 7: Issue with retail?

31 Oct 2009   #1

Windows 7 Professional 64 bit
 
 
Issue with retail?

So I just clean installed Windows 7 Professional 64 bit. I previously had the Windows 7 RC for the past couple months. The thing is I've been getting these pop up messages saying "You need administrator permission to do this, continue?" and it's getting really annoying. I never got that message once when I was on the RC. What's up with that?

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31 Oct 2009   #2

7600.20510 x86
 
 

It's user account control. See here:

User Account Control - UAC - Change Notification Settings
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31 Oct 2009   #3

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 x2 + x86 + Windows 8.1 x64 x2
 
 

As far as I am aware there is no difference between the default setting for UAC in the RC and RTM (retail).

There will of course be a lot of prompts from the default setting of UAC when performing the intitial set-ups of Windows 7 when installing software etc.

This will lessen as the system matures

If this is really an issue for you you may want to consider setting UAC to the lowest available level until you have completed your set-ups.

I would advise you to run with UAC in place and set to at least the second level from the top during normal running but this is of course only something you can decide for your needs
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31 Oct 2009   #4

Windows 7 Professional 64 bit
 
 

It's not UAC. On retail I kept UAC on the 2nd to lowest level, but I've NEVER seen this stupid confirmation everytime I even just drag a file or folder from one place to another. My account is the only account, and it's an administrator type account. I realize it's not "THE" administrator, but I don't want to log in as the administrator normally. Like, in C:\Users I never had an Administrator folder in there in the RC. It was just Public and Mine.
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31 Oct 2009   #5

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 x2 + x86 + Windows 8.1 x64 x2
 
 

Ok, that looks like a permissions issue rather than UAC.

Can I assume that the Folders/Files concerned are ones that are on a location that existed prior to your install of the retail, or as ones that have been restored into the install?

Assuming this, you need to set the permissions for these folders to include your current user (when running as the standard user not elevated, NTFS permissions are tied to the files and not the OS so will survive a re-install.

If you take ownership of the folders trees involved and add your user name to the full permissions then you should not see the prompt again.

To confirm this is the reason check the permissions on a file you have issues with and you should see an unknown user with an ID starting with S followed by a lot of numbers - This will be the token from your user in the RC install which the Retail does not recognise, (user names may be the same to us but the system uses these tokens which are unique to each install
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31 Oct 2009   #6

Windows 7 Professional 64 bit
 
 

Yes, I'm dealing with files and folders that I backed up on an external. But I just created a new folder within my C drive, and tried to cut and paste it, and it still told me that I need administrator permission. It's not preventing me from doing anything, it's just annoying having to click continue every time that administrator permission window comes up.

For files that cause the pop-up to occur, the "owner" of the file is "Administrators" instead of my account name.
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31 Oct 2009   #7

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 x2 + x86 + Windows 8.1 x64 x2
 
 

I agree it can be very frustrating.

It's an issue that's existed since the original NT and it will stay I think as long as NTFS remains.

The new install will set the owner of all these type of files to the administrators group, which will of course cause UAC to prompt for elevation, (this is the prompt you are receiving although not looking like a standard UAC prompt), when you try to manipulate the files as your Standard level user.

adding full control to you standard user will prevent this, though you may need to take ownership to apply the rights.

As for the prompt when creating the folder this may well be related as the increase in security on the Windows 7 system drive - a lot of locations are added to the administrators group control only by default. this may be even more complex when dealing with the program files folders as these have extra protection.

When performing the permissions changes the temporary disabling of the UAC can make things less frustrating as with UAC off you are a full member of the administrators group as per XP and the system will allow you to add your standard user to permissions without taking ownership
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31 Oct 2009   #8

Win 8 Release candidate 8400
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by hyunho View Post
Yes, I'm dealing with files and folders that I backed up on an external. But I just created a new folder within my C drive, and tried to cut and paste it, and it still told me that I need administrator permission. It's not preventing me from doing anything, it's just annoying having to click continue every time that administrator permission window comes up.

For files that cause the pop-up to occur, the "owner" of the file is "Administrators" instead of my account name.

H

Im just passing thru but it seems like a simple solution would be to take ownership of the entire folder. there are instructions on how here Take Ownership Shortcut

Hope this helps

Ken
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31 Oct 2009   #9

Windows 7 Professional 64 bit
 
 

Can it be used to take ownership of my whole C drive?
For example, I just reinstalled AIM 6.9 (because I like it more than 7). On the RC I had no trouble editing some of the files to remove the ads and plugin buttons, but on Windows 7 it says that my "administrator" account doesn't have permission to modify the files. wth
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31 Oct 2009   #10

Windows 7 x64 HP, Windows 7 HP, Windows 7 Ult
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by hyunho View Post
Can it be used to take ownership of my whole C drive?
Yes, you can, but it will take a long time. I'd recommend doing it on a folder basis for the programs/files you are having issues with or want to change.

To see how time intensive it can be, try taking ownership of something like System32.
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