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Windows 7: When will Microsoft legal define the life cycle of a device & Win...

15 Mar 2015   #11
groze

W7 32 bit, Linux Mint Xfce 18 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
groze I missed spoke with my keyboard.
Microsoft does use the words (life-cycle of the device).

I have no idea what that means.

Does the device have to break or just get to old or what?
Who decides what the life-cycle of a device is?

Microsoft has created more question than they have answers in my opinion.
Thank you for the clarification.


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15 Mar 2015   #12
groze

W7 32 bit, Linux Mint Xfce 18 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by AddRAM View Post
Once again, The life cycle of the device means just that, when it dies you loose the OS, plain and simple.

I would think in the case of Windows 10 that means when the motherboard or hard drive dies.

Of course if this happens within the free year upgrade, you fix your part, re install from your image or disc, then re upgrade to Windows 10.

I know that a lot of people's opinion of what life cycle of the device means. We have to wait an see what Microsoft Legal defines life cycle of the device and windows as a service is. I was just hoping for the release of that information a lot sooner then Windows 10 RTM date that why I asked. Windows 10 RTM is suppose to be released in June. So, they should have both defined way before then.
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15 Mar 2015   #13
AddRAM

Windows 7 Pro x64 Windows 10 Pro x64
 
 

I`m sure they will announce something before Windows 10 is released.

Windows 10 will not be released to the public in June.

Anything released to the public in June will still be just a preview.

Short for release to manufacturing, the version of a software product that is given to manufacturers to bundle into future versions of their hardware products. RTM versions are typically released to manufacturers before they are released to the general public so that the manufacturers can work out any bugs the software may encounter with hardware devices. The release of an RTM version does not necessarily mean that the creators have worked out all the problems with the software; there still may be more versions of the product before it is released to the general public.

As stated earlier, all this is discussed in Tenforums.

https://www.tenforums.com/
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15 Mar 2015   #14
ThrashZone

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
 
 

Legal terms :/
It's well known Microsoft has extended services and probably more on the horizon that are going to be subscription based,
It's not mandatory to use them although some basic apps will not be totally removable but won't be activated unless you use a service.
The os in general as in subscription for updates to the 10 os would be the only real question mark
Or re-installing 10 on the same device if components change like hdd's after a year
I personally had 10 brick/ paperweight one hdd already because a update build reset fast start to On.

I'd probably never try a windows update from 8.1 to 10 but there wouldn't be any love loss if 8.1 got killed along with anther cheap hdd which is sitting waiting on the next build to be released to see what it's like,
If it gets bricked I'll completely pass on 10 final no matter what 2 bricked hdd's is enough to tell me it's not worth the irritation.
I already do not use 8.1 it's not even installed.
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15 Mar 2015   #15
groze

W7 32 bit, Linux Mint Xfce 18 64 bit
 
 

Off topic

Thrashzone,
Sometimes gparted can fix bricked drives.

I found out the reason for the brick drive, it is because most systems have two or more partition already done by the user or the oem. What happens windows 10 doesn't see the end of the partition correctly. So, that causes it not to boot.

Also, if gparted fails, you might want to try to installing pclinuxos. Install as a full replacement to what ever operating system was on the drive. (Remember to remove any other drives with operating systems installed before you do that). Let it install with all its defaults (One exception make sure you choose to replace your windows or other operating systems with pclinuxos on the bad disk) , after installed boot up to a couple of times. Now using a Mini wizard partition boot disk, you should be able to delete all those partitions and create new ntfs partitions like you had before or want now. Then you can install windows 10 or 8 or 7 or keep it as spare ntfs drive. I found out pclinuxos has a very unusual way of installing and can fix boot issues and it also won't let you create or adjust partitions.

One tip, you may need to run in the command prompt from the windows installation disk or repair disk.

bootrec /fixboot

bootrec /fixmbr
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15 Mar 2015   #16
ThrashZone

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
 
 

Most you posted was tried and failed,
I need a newer mobo capable of sending the wake command so the drive is really in a deep sleep put there by 10tp.
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15 Mar 2015   #17
groze

W7 32 bit, Linux Mint Xfce 18 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post
Most you posted was tried and failed,
I need a newer mobo capable of sending the wake command so the drive is really in a deep sleep put there by 10tp.
Sorry it didn't work. I read that method did work for some having the same issue.

The only other thing I can think of is putting the drive in an USB 2.0 External hard drive enclosure,
Now, insert the mini wizard partition boot cd. Shut down the computer. Boot up the mini-partiton wizard boot disk. After the disk info shows, plug in your External drive to a usb 2.0 slot. Then wait a moment, then choose reload disk from mini-partition wizard menu. If accessible delete all the partitions. Then write a new ntfs partitions.
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15 Mar 2015   #18
ThrashZone

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
 
 

Thanks that was actually the first thing I tried
Mobo not able to send wake command nothing reads the disk which isn't a big deal as I said but something that happened to me personally on a 5-6 y.o machine and hdd

The solution was posted but does require a newer model machine or hardware to accomplish the task.
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16 Mar 2015   #19
Mark Phelps

Win7 Pro 32-bit, Win8 Pro 32-bit
 
 

My guess would be that the life-cycle of a device phrase that MS apparently used was intended to limit the installation of the free version of Win10 to one "device" -- be it SDD or HDD, in a manner such that the activation hash sequence incorporated the serial number of the "device".

Thus, if a couple of years later, you decided you wanted to "upgrade" to a newer/larger SSD/HDD, regardless of how you did the migration from the old drive to the new, when you connected the new drive, soon thereafter, you would get some kind of dreaded "deactivation" message -- indicating that you would have to go online and PURCHASE a Win10 version to continue using that device.

This way, MS would get all those "old" Win7 machines to upgrade to Win10 for free, and when their hard drives started to die, would then make a fortune charging all those people "upgrade fees" to allow them to keep using Win10 but on a newer drive.

But ... as I said ... it's only a guess.
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16 Mar 2015   #20
ignatzatsonic

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 Home Premium SP1, 64-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Mark Phelps View Post

Thus, if a couple of years later, you decided you wanted to "upgrade" to a newer/larger SSD/HDD, regardless of how you did the migration from the old drive to the new, when you connected the new drive, soon thereafter, you would get some kind of dreaded "deactivation" message -- indicating that you would have to go online and PURCHASE a Win10 version to continue using that device.
I suspect you are right--in which case I'd rather buy Win 10 to start with rather than getting involved with the freebie.
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