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Windows 7: Part 2: Microsoft silently preparing your PC for Win 10

16 Apr 2015   #101
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by GEWB View Post
I wonder if a class action lawsuit in the US is viable? What can the EU do?

Just thinking out loud...

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GEWB
I am not a lawyer but I don't think there are any grounds for legal action. Essentially what they are doing is planting PUPs into our systems to advertise their new product. That is pretty harmless. And if that becomes a nuisance, we have stili the option to delete those 'updates'.


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16 Apr 2015   #102
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

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I wouldn't be surprised if they pull another "XP-MSE" event come this summer, but for Windows 7. They bugged the very last version of MSE for XP with the annoying "end of support" notification that 1. was akin to the "windows is not genuine" notification, ie. very hard to stop/close it, and 2. It literally froze my mother's system,I had to uninstall MSE just to get XP to work again!

Similarly, the "upgrade to WX" notifcation might be very hard to dismiss...
Actually, you would have been wise to have heeded that warning. XP is past its End Of Life and is no longer receiving security updates from M$. That means any new security holes that get discovered will no longer get plugged by a M$ update. XP was a great OS in its time but its past time to replace it (and probably the machine it's on, as well).
Heed what warning? I'm typing this on XP with the version of MSE before the very last one for XP installed. Just b/c something is past eol doesn't mean it's not usable for the next decade or two, or that it's suddenly become "vulnerable" if you have the right protection in place...

Anyways, it's unbelievable the kind of stuff "they" would do just to get you to move to a newer OS...

(Btw, left panel says I'm using Win7. That was when I registered for this account, not necessarily the OS I'm using to log in...)
How do you know you haven't been infected? M$ is no longer supporting MSE for XP. MSE isn't very good "protection" anyway nor is using just an AV.
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16 Apr 2015   #103
eatup

Windows 7 Home Premium 32 Bit
 
 

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Actually, you would have been wise to have heeded that warning. XP is past its End Of Life and is no longer receiving security updates from M$. That means any new security holes that get discovered will no longer get plugged by a M$ update. XP was a great OS in its time but its past time to replace it (and probably the machine it's on, as well).
Heed what warning? I'm typing this on XP with the version of MSE before the very last one for XP installed. Just b/c something is past eol doesn't mean it's not usable for the next decade or two, or that it's suddenly become "vulnerable" if you have the right protection in place...

Anyways, it's unbelievable the kind of stuff "they" would do just to get you to move to a newer OS...

(Btw, left panel says I'm using Win7. That was when I registered for this account, not necessarily the OS I'm using to log in...)
How do you know you haven't been infected? M$ is no longer supporting MSE for XP. MSE isn't very good "protection" anyway nor is using just an AV.
There isn't a virus/malware that stealthily infects a system. Somehow, every known malware creator is compelled to leave behind evidence, often very obvious, to let you know the system has been compromised. It's part of their identity and gives them an ego boost. So far, I've encountered none on my system.

Also, usually the system becomes infected via a tainted USB drive. That is how most malware spread. It's easier this way than to get a user to click on an .EXE file that has been dled from the web. If there is one thing MSE is very good at, it's to prevent malware on external drives from auto-loading the moment you connect it to your computer, no matter how old the MSE security definition is...
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16 Apr 2015   #104
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

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Heed what warning? I'm typing this on XP with the version of MSE before the very last one for XP installed. Just b/c something is past eol doesn't mean it's not usable for the next decade or two, or that it's suddenly become "vulnerable" if you have the right protection in place...

Anyways, it's unbelievable the kind of stuff "they" would do just to get you to move to a newer OS...

(Btw, left panel says I'm using Win7. That was when I registered for this account, not necessarily the OS I'm using to log in...)
How do you know you haven't been infected? M$ is no longer supporting MSE for XP. MSE isn't very good "protection" anyway nor is using just an AV.
There isn't a virus/malware that stealthily infects a system. Somehow, every known malware creator is compelled to leave behind evidence, often very obvious, to let you know the system has been compromised. It's part of their identity and gives them an ego boost. So far, I've encountered none on my system.

Also, usually the system becomes infected via a tainted USB drive. That is how most malware spread. It's easier this way than to get a user to click on an .EXE file that has been dled from the web. If there is one thing MSE is very good at, it's to prevent malware on external drives from auto-loading the moment you connect it to your computer, no matter how old the MSE security definition is...
There wasn't a single accurate statement in your last post. It may have been true back in the 1990s but not anymore.
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16 Apr 2015   #105
eatup

Windows 7 Home Premium 32 Bit
 
 

^ Evidence plz. Or r u just a MS shill?
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16 Apr 2015   #106
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

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^ Evidence plz. Or r u just a MS shill?
Me? An M$ shill? You just go ahead and believe what you want.
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16 Apr 2015   #107
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

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Also, usually the system becomes infected via a tainted USB drive.
I would not subscribe to the "usually", but this is a big problem. We had 18 systems in our computer club seriously infected from USB flash drives. And that despite free AVG being installed on every one of those systems. It was a real mess.

And why do we know that it was the members USB sticks - because nobody ever downloads anything on those systems.Most of the time these systems do not even have an internet connection. They are for hands-on training.
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16 Apr 2015   #108
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

eatup you obviously you need to spend more time reading post.

No way in hell is Lady Fitzgerald a fan lady for MSE or a M/S shill.
Lady Fitzgerald has been using Avast as far back as I can remember and in many case has given her opinion of MSE. Her opinion on MSE are not favorable.

Now for me I like and use MSE but I don't agree or understand your comments in your post #103.

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Also, usually the system becomes infected via a tainted USB drive. That is how most malware spread.
I have no idea where you got this idea. Can one get infected by things being plugged into a usb port; of course you can but I doubt if that is the usually the big problem cause of infection.
If a external device is a infection problem one has to ask how did the external device get infected.

I could go on but I'm not in the mood.
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16 Apr 2015   #109
DavidE

Multi-Boot W7_Pro_x64 W8.1_Pro_x64 W10_Pro_x64
 
 

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And I believe Recommended so far KB3035583 will need to be unhidden every update cycle before a successful update search list will appear
Otherwise I'll see a similar error code like this last go round 8024402c

Very weird.
Windows Update error 8024402C - Windows Help
I still get Windows Updates while keeping KB3035583 hidden.
Maybe i'm not understanding, but i don't see where i need to unhide this KB for Windows Update to work ?
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16 Apr 2015   #110
groze

W7 32 bit, Linux Mint Xfce 18 64 bit
 
 

How can you safely plug in a foreign usb drive without getting infected? Do you need to use a linux system? Do you need to disable auto play? Do you need to do a registry hack to disable autorun.inf ? There is conflicting instructions on how to disable autorun.inf for removable drives.

I also read that usb drives can still infect by just plugging them in even with autoplay and autorun disabled. Wow.
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