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Windows 7: Quad-Boot Windows 7 Ultimate and Windows 8.1 question

14 Jul 2015   #11
lehnerus2000

W7 Ultimate SP1, LM18 MATE, W10IP VM, W10 Home, #All 64 bit
 
 
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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by damien76 View Post
I have a quad-boot(I do not know if the term is correct here) Win 7 Ultimate (each partition has it's own setup with the programs I use --say, one partition for CAD etc / one partition for Engineering SPC etc and so forth).
I use (VMware) VMs to do what you appear to be doing.

For example:
  • W7 VM with XAMP
  • W7 VM with Visual Studio & IIS
  • W7 VM with Chrome, Firefox, IE10, Maxthon & Opera



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21 Jul 2015   #12
damien76

Win7 Ultimate 64bit
 
 

Thanks guys for the reply.

@Indianatone,

Thanks I will check it out

@gregrocker

I plan to install the Windows 8.1 on the last partition with 3 existing Windows 7 partitions. The 3 existing Windows 7 partitions has EasyBCD installed already. Is it correct to say that I have to install EasyBCD after the Windows 8.1 installation?

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Always unplug all other hard drives during install so that they are booted via the BIOS by setting to boot first, or using the BIOS Boot menu. If this isn't to your liking you can later add any OS to the Windows Boot Menu using EasyBCD and the hard drive will still remain independently bootable because you didn't let the boot manager be placed on another hard drive
-- Yes thank you for the advise. I do plan to use EasyBCD as booting via the BIOS boot is not to my liking and takes longer on my experience.

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Keep in mind that everything changes the end of this month when the worthy successor OS to Win7 is released for free Upgrade of 7 and 8. I would not touch 8 or 8.1 with a stick, but maybe Windows 10 would work in place of those by doing the free Upgrade.
--- I will wait for the office to upgrade to Windows 10. This is a part of the office(extension) and the licenses belong to them really and assigned to me for usage. So I will stick to Windows 8.1 in the meantime I have it up and running.

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Now what exactly would you like to do simplifying things as much as possible?
--- Well I think just the booting issue for this time. I am just weary that when I install Windows 8.1 I won't be able to boot to the "other" partitions that I use especially the work partition with AutoCAD 2013 and the Statistical software I use with the efficiency that I have had with EasyBCD. I was in fact afraid of Windows 8.1 taking over the boot menu and bork my system that I may have to revert back to Windows 7 in order to make/do engineering work at home and give up using Windows 8.1(disband attempting to use it again). I really would like to use Windows 8.1 and make it work for me especially on the work partition with AutoCAD / Minitab and JMP 7 statistical software. At the office only a handfull of my mates have in fact upgraded to Windows 8.1 for use in work (home work). The reason is that they do not have the time to tweak stuff etc and the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" thing is king
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21 Jul 2015   #13
gregrocker

 

Boot the 8.1 Installation media as a non-UEFI Device (if choices) select the partition where you want it, Delete the partition, format a new one there, click Next.

You must have missed my explanation that during installation 8.1 should configure a multi-boot with the other OS's. If not you can add them using EasyBCD from 8.1. If any other OS's show up on the EasyBCD boot menu but they will not boot or do not offer a Boot Menu, then delete them first before adding again. This is how you reset listings on EasyBCD, simply delete ones not working and add them again.
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29 Jul 2015   #14
damien76

Win7 Ultimate 64bit
 
 

Back here to report some issues I have encountered. I started to format Windows 8.1 on the last partition the other day but encountered an issue where I accidentally corrupted the main partition where the System Reserved boot files are located. I tried to recover via Acronis but sadly ATI Home 2012 gave an error. "Recovery failed". Actually all my system images when I used it for recovery gave the same error. I do not know what exactly happened but it was taking so long that I was forced to do a clean install of Windows 7 x64 to have the System Reserved partition back.

So I did a clean install and then recovered the remaining 2 of the 3 partitions that I use with Windows 7 (--one where I do the officework etc and the partition for gaming etc). See the image of the Computer Management below.

I reformatted the WD_V partition with Windows 8.1. The location is not where I was supposed to format it. This is a new location where it is the only partition with OS on that particular hdd. See image below. The Windows 8.1 partition is marked and in yellow.



My question for now is will I leave it at that or do something else with it like merge it with the main partition which is now WD_A...? What should be the best way for this? Leave it at that or what?

I have not yet tried to backup just that particular partition(System Reserved) yet but I believe that Acronis can do that. If I do that --back it up, can it be restored like that of a system image..? Have not tried that yet.

Kindly see image of Minitool Partition Wizard where the D: System Reserved is marked Primary / Active Boot
while the supposed new main partition WD_A is marked as Logical / System.



I have not yet checked what is indicated when I use the boot cd of Minitool Partition Wizard...but I guess that it'll be the same.

Can you guys assist me on this please.

On the Windows 8.1 partition. I seem to have noticed that the boot time is loooooong at 4 minutes! Well it seem to may not sit well in a multiboot setup because I read somewhere that Fast Boot is achieved because Windows 8 actually hibernates itself for the next boot.

Is there a way I can make the boot time be faster please..? As of the moment there is only iReboot and Classic Shell that is indicated at the logon tab of Sysinternals Autoruns. Currently there aren't any much programs installed yet....Can you help with this please..?

Thanks for your patience
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29 Jul 2015   #15
gregrocker

 

You do t follow any advice so I don't know why I bother.

Why are all your OS partitions Logical.

Why were the other hard drives not unplugged during install as you were told?

You appear to have deliberately put 8 OS behind every data partition on the slowest end of the drive.

Use Partition Wizard to convert 8 partition to Primary then unplug the other drives to run Automatic RepAir from 8 disk until it starts and is independently bootable via the BIOS.

Links are all in previous posts ignored.
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30 Jul 2015   #16
damien76

Win7 Ultimate 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
You do t follow any advice so I don't know why I bother.

Why are all your OS partitions Logical.

Why were the other hard drives not unplugged during install as you were told?

You appear to have deliberately put 8 OS behind every data partition on the slowest end of the drive.

Use Partition Wizard to convert 8 partition to Primary then unplug the other drives to run Automatic RepAir from 8 disk until it starts and is independently bootable via the BIOS.

Links are all in previous posts ignored.
Thank you for the reply. Kindly see below As mentioned I am not a techy and again am asking for patience from you guys.

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Why were the other hard drives not unplugged during install as you were told?
-- Pardon sir but I did unplugged the other hard drives during the install. The system has 3 hard drives. The ones starting with "ST" (--which is Disk 1 and Disk 2) are Seagate drives. I did unplugged them when I installed the Windows 8.1 the first time.

I just plugged them back after I formatted the partition intended with Windows 8.1.

The Windows 8.1 format I did was done with only Disk 0 plugged in with the ReadyBoost / Multiboot USB with the DVDROM drives. Nothing else was plugged.

The Windows 8.1 format was "raw format" I call it (for the Windows 8.1 install). That raw format I backed-up via Acronis (--via multiboot usb) so if there are any issues I'll just have to recover that raw image and not re-format if warranted. That was just an idea so I 'll save time perhaps.

Is that good? Or if I have issues I just need to format again and again?

During the format I did not have any issues. Actually it went great. A bit slow but booted fine (--though it was very slow).

The first location intended was the last partition which was WD_T in Disk 0 (formerly WD_V). I did format Windows 8.1 there but since I experienced a very very slow boot that I think may be attributed to a small space. I deleted that and transferred it to the new location WD_V in Disk 1. I do not know if it is one of the reasons why I have this slow boot or not but the bigger size I wish have helped. But I think if there was any improvement to the boot time it was not significant.

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Why are all your OS partitions Logical.
-- Pardon again for that. As I mentioned I am not an expert. Kindly see the image of Minitool prior doing this endeavor. This was how I got this desktop from the office. I had the tech set it up so I can use it at home and not be bothered or have some issues if and ever someone at home uses the desktop. As mentioned each partition has its own purpose there. There is shows that all are "Logical".



Now if that is bad please have patience with me for this setup. My work is mechanical in nature (semiconductor manufacturing) my forte is not geared towards pc systems but in manufacturing -- assembly/testing of IC and semiconductors. I try to learn here and have learned some but not all have the learning curve as a computer experts. Asking techs at work isn't worthwhile also because they only try to do something for you and make it work just to not have you bother them again. Here at this forum there is true learning here. I just ask for more patience for the help you and the guys are giving.

Please tell me what should I do and again am asking for pardon and patience.

I think I can correct these with Minitool. I just may have missed that part in the links given.


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You appear to have deliberately put 8 OS behind every data partition on the slowest end of the drive.
-- I mentioned that in the first post. I intended to place it there thinking that it may affect the Win 7 partitions that I use especially the ones I use for work.

If I have missed that I should have placed it at the very first partition then pardon me again.

One thing I have to mention is that formerly the first partition(main partition) has the System Reserved inside it. You will see in the former image of the setup there is no System Reserved seen there in the Computer Management image. That was the reluctance before. If I format it there I may loose the System Reserved there because I need to delete that and create a new one for Windows 8.1. I may have boot issues. Or that the other partitions in Disk 0 may not boot either especially the work partition I use. But I may be wrong there also. If I was please pardon me again for that.

See image below of Computer Management prior the endeavor.



The new setup image of Computer Management is below after I encountered issues and have to format a new Windows 7 partition just to have the System Reserved back.



The second format (see image above again) I did because I did have issues(or accidentally did something wrong and was not able to even recover the former setup with the Acronis image backup--even when it was validated good) now shows a System Reserved there.

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Use Partition Wizard to convert 8 partition to Primary then unplug the other drives to run Automatic RepAir from 8 disk until it starts and is independently bootable via the BIOS.
-- Will do that and be back here.

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You must have missed my explanation that during installation 8.1 should configure a multi-boot with the other OS's. If not you can add them using EasyBCD from 8.1. If any other OS's show up on the EasyBCD boot menu but they will not boot or do not offer a Boot Menu, then delete them first before adding again. This is how you reset listings on EasyBCD, simply delete ones not working and add them again.
-- If I erase and delete all partitions in Disk 0 and format Windows 8.1 there, can I partition it (add 2 more partitions) and recover via Acronis my Win 7 partitions after the format..? So I'l have:

Partition 1: Windows 8.1 Partition
Partition 2: Windows 7 partition -- work
Partition 3: Windows 7 partition -- casual use

Scenario is sound but am no expert here and again may have missed/misunderstood something. Will there be boot issues with the Win 7 recovered partitions?

You mentioned that 8.1 "should configure a multi-boot with the other OS's".
Will it be more easier to leave the Win 7 partitions alone and just delete the first partition (which is now WD_A) format Windows 8.1 there?

Or a clean HDD Disk 0 is better then afterwards recover the Win 7 partitions I desire via Acronis?
Which do you think is better?

Also since Windows 8.1 boots slower than Win 7 I plan to use Win 7 as the main partition. Set it in EasyBCD as the boot partition, second is the Windows 8.1 and so on and so forth.



I really appreciate the help that you guys give here. There were delays in doing this endeavor (as mentioned we also had a death in the family --my Dad, work absences and work delays). But I try to cope up and am really decided in doing this endeavor and making it work. I just do not have the technical capability to do it.

Now is the time to use a new OS. Late but that is why I try to endeavor this. The tech's at work do not help so I try to look for other options. It this was work (semiconductor manufacturing) that will be a piece of cake for me but this is not work and that is why I come here to learn and seek help from you guys. I hope you and the guys understand and may you have more patience with me.
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30 Jul 2015   #17
gregrocker

 

You could not have unplugged the other drives to install Windows 8 because all partitions on that drive are Logical so there is no place the installer could write the System boot files. They were likely placed on the existing System partition since it is the only Primary partition that can receive boot files.

So post back a screenshot of 8 Disk Mgmt to confirm this or just go ahead with the repairs I specified in my last post. The speed difference is not worth bothering moving 8.

The boot time should be resolved by 8 having its own boot files onboard. You can then boot it's hard drive via the BIOS Boot menu key after again (as now) setting the Win7 drive first to boot in BIOS setup. If you don't like that arrangement install Easy BCD to the Win7 hard drive set first to boot to add Windows 8 to a Windows boot menu.

Yes you can achieve the same Boot Menu by installing 8 with the other hard drives plugged in however it becomes dependent upon the System drive on Disk0 and will not boot without it. By disconnecting it gives 8 it's own boot files and remains independently bootable via the BIOS even if you then decide to add it to a Windows Boot menu using EasyBCD. Is this clear now? I realize it's a bit complicated and shouldn't assume it's easily absorbed.

So Ask back any questions to make it clearer, get this done or for anything else needed.
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30 Jul 2015   #18
m256997683119

Windows 7 Ultimate x32
 
 

OP seems to be confused here...
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19 Aug 2015   #19
damien76

Win7 Ultimate 64bit
 
 

@gregrocker,

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I realize it's a bit complicated and shouldn't assume it's easily absorbed.
-- Thank you. It really is for someone like me.

@m256997683119,
-- Yes I really was confused. Thanks.

So sorry for the very late reply. We have been busy at the office and attended to family issues of my late father. I appreciate the open help that you guys have extended still to me. Kindly see the image below. I just formatted Disk 0 with only Windows 8.1. The boot was not an issue at all and it booted fine and acceptable. The boot that was way low was when I installed Comodo firewall. Came to the desktop after about 5-7 minutes. But that was just that. second to it was a boot that lasted around 3minutes but that was a reboot after installing programs.



Now after installing programs(some) and tweaking the Windows 8.1 partition. I shrink-ed the Windows 8.1 into 80gb and from the unallocated disk (237gb) I recovered an Acronis image of a Windows 7 sp1 partition. I also attached the Disk 1 and Disk 2. Both are data storage disks (all my files are there). See image below.



Please bear with me again for more questions.

(1) Boot files are with the System Reserved partition right? So is there a way where I can make the partitions in Disk 0 (Windows 8.1 and Windows 7 sp1) boot independently? What may be the best way to do it?

(2) I plan to recover the 1 more Windows 7 sp1 partitions onto Disk 0 (the work partition I use which has AutoCAD/Mnitab etc). Will I be able to make it boot independently also?

(3) I did not install EasyBCD and iReboot in the Windows 8.1 partition. When it boots I get the blue screen where I am to select Windows 8.1 or the Windows 7 partition and also of changing options. Is it okay if I leave it at that because the Windows 7 sp1 partition has EasyBCD and iReboot installed already. I added Windows 8.1 in the boot menu of EasyBCD in the Windows 7 sp1 partition and I was able to boot to Windows 8.1 fine(though a bit slower than when I boot from cold start directly to Windows 8.1).

Is it okay if I do not install EasyBCD and iReboot in the Windows 8.1 partition? I seem to like having the blue-bootscreen selection there intact.

Or is there a better way?

(4) Is there a way I can include a Windows Recovery Environment in the boot menu of EasyBCD / iReboot..? I ask this because that blue-bootscreen has that option to have or avail of Refreshing Windows / System Restore etc. That is also the reason why I do not install EasyBCD/iReboot on Win8.1.

(5) Is there way I can get to the blue-bootscreen when I have issues booting to Windows 8.1 other than plugging-in/using the Windows 8.1 installation disk/usb..?

(6) In one instance when was trying to use System Restore from the blue-bootscreen, I could not use it because it told me to "unmount" (or something like that) and there wasn't any option other than to "cancel". That was also the same when I planned to use Refresh PC.

How can I unmount that?

(7) I see also a cmd.exe prompt in the "advanced options". Can I do an sfc /scannow there? I did able to run sfc /scannow but it was in Windows 8.1 (Administrator cmd.exe no issues with file integrities whatsoever).
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19 Aug 2015   #20
GokAy

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

1- No, you can't boot them independently because they are on the same physical hard disk. If they were different hard disks, you could select the one to boot from during POST (Power On Self Test), with the quick boot menu of your BIOS.

2- Same as (1).

3- If you have boot menu with both Win8.1 and Win7 and can select fine at the moment, you can select which one is the default, I don't have EasyBCD installed though, but you can manage it with msconfig. You can also specify how long it waits for an input until it auto-selects the default. For example, I have Win7 default with another Win10 install, and only waits 5 seconds. It will be slower than a single OS if you are booting to the other OS than the default always as it will have to re-start.

You don't need EasyBCD installed anywhere, you won't need it after you set the boot menu. Can be un-installed later. If you can boot to Win7, you definitely don't need it on Win8.1.

4- I was once told you need to somehow install Recovery Environment while installing the OS, however, you can just use a spare USB flash drive to make the repair disk. You can even get a large USB stick and put both recovery disks on a single one with a multiboot program like Easy2Boot.

5- Hmm, not sure about this one, you shouldn't have issues though. And if you do, repair disk is good enough for fixing. Also, image your hard disks so you can just recall in a matter of minutes instead.

6- No idea what this is. Properly imaging your OS partitions negates the use of System Restore.

7- This is the tutorial for running sfc in command line at boot - SFC /SCANNOW : Run in Command Prompt at Boot
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