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Windows 7: Will Microsoft steal my Windows 7? Why I'm worried.

03 Sep 2015   #51
groze

W7 32 bit, Linux Mint Xfce 18 64 bit
 
 

Just for info I have read windows could be installed on a logical partition but the windows boot files must remain on a primary partition. It is kind of hard to do because of the way windows uses drive letters. I think Window xp & 2000 can be installed on a logical drive not sure about other windows operating systems.


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03 Sep 2015   #52
Adams Seven

Windows 7 Professional 64
 
 

Well, I went ahead with the install of Mint 17.2 in a dual boot configuration on my existing Win 7 drive, and want to report the results, as promised: a success! The dual boot menu doesn't significantly slow start-up time (which wasn't the case on an old laptop I used as an earlier guinea pig). I now feel I have the best of both worlds. I can use my Linux Mint environment for most day-to-day computing, but still boot into Win 7 when I need to use software as yet unequalled in Linux-dom.

My verdict: a newbie-friendly distro like Mint may be ready for the masses right now, but VirtualBox isn't, at least not when trying to configure a Win VM under Mint. I've fought twice to get it to work, and think many would throw in the towel in frustration.

I also haven't found a good method of cloning the dual boot drive, but that's stuff for another, separate post!
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03 Sep 2015   #53
lehnerus2000

W7 Ultimate SP1, LM18 MATE, W10IP VM, W10 Home, #All 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by groze View Post
Just for info I have read windows could be installed on a logical partition but the windows boot files must remain on a primary partition.
That sounds believable to me.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Adams Seven View Post
I also haven't found a good method of cloning the dual boot drive, but that's stuff for another, separate post!
Have you tried Macrium Reflect?

I don't Clone drives, however I have had no issues Creating/Restoring Linux partitions on:
  • My dual boot setup (W7, LM17.2)
  • My triple boot setup (XP, W7, LM17.2)
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04 Sep 2015   #54
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ignatzatsonic View Post
...I did not have the nerve to put another OS on the same drive as Windows...
If you made an image (preferably with Macrium Reflect) before trying to put a second OS on the same drive as windows, you could then restore the drive if something should go horribly wrong. I don't make any changes or install updates without making an image first and making sure my data is also backed up. It only takes 10 minutes for Macrium Reflect to backup my System files (it can be doing that by itself while I do something else) and I need to keep my data backed up frequently anyway (I normally backup daily anyway).
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04 Sep 2015   #55
Barman58

Windows 10 Pro x64 x2 Windows 10 Enterprise x64, Ubuntu
 
 

Windows operating systems prior to Windows 7 require a primary partition for the actual OS files. I think it was also possible with Vista but have not any experience with this, I know it is possible with Windows7+ through personal experience

The system partition must be on a primary partition. The system partition is normally less than 1GB (windows 7 used to create on of 100MB, Windows8+ create larger system partitions as they also use this for recovery media).

The system partition is not normally allocated a drive letter by windows. As long as the partition contains the correct flags it will work, (indeed, in my experience, is is safer to not allocate a drive letter to your system "drive", (partition)


Here's an old example ...

Will Microsoft steal my Windows 7?  Why I'm worried.-partitions.jpg

IIRC the main system on that system was Vista, the system files were on the same partition and the various Windows 7 Pre-Beta systems were in the logical partition, and there was also a Linux OS running as part of the multi-boot from the windows system partition although the partitions do not show correctly within windows, (the rightmost two partitions are the Linux and Linux scratch "drives")


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04 Sep 2015   #56
ICIT2LOL

Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 10 Pro / Main lap Asus ROG 10 Pro 2 laptop Toshiba 7 Pro Asus P2520 7 & 10
 
 

I have to agree with Jeannie when she quoted Ignatzsonic
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I did not have the nerve to put another OS on the same drive as Windows.
Personally I make a clone of the original drive (that is use) and then use the clone drive to play around with the new set up or as just recently that 10 thing. If the set up goes pear shaped then one only needs to swap back in the original drive with 7 on it.

Now there are those who I am sure will say thats ok for those who can afford it but in view that spinners are now quite cheap and I know slower but surely it is worth the effort and avoid trashing the system one had set up. There is quite a flood of members right now who have their system up the proverbial creek after trying that OS out and try get back to 7.

The other thing I will say is I did post a thread the other day - I don't know where it went but it had an article in Leo Notenboom's newsletter that had a discussion going re privacy issues in Windows 10 and frankly I found the material being discussed quite frightening.

I don't know about anyone else but in my simple mind both Microsoft and Intel are developing technologies that once tested and released then dictate what we as the consumer can do with their technologies. For example one only has to recall the rise of the i* cores of Intel and their chipsets to see that as each one emerges the older types / versions are rapidly dropped both by support from those two giant companies and leaves consumers like myself right now with the only option I have of replacing my Ivy Bridge board is to go Skylake.



If anyone would like to see that Leo Notenboom article PM me and I will give you the link.
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04 Sep 2015   #57
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ICIT2LOL View Post
I have to agree with Jeannie when she quoted Ignatzsonic
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I did not have the nerve to put another OS on the same drive as Windows.
Personally I make a clone of the original drive (that is use) and then use the clone drive to play around with the new set up or as just recently that 10 thing. If the set up goes pear shaped then one only needs to swap back in the original drive with 7 on it.

Now there are those who I am sure will say thats ok for those who can afford it but in view that spinners are now quite cheap and I know slower but surely it is worth the effort and avoid trashing the system one had set up. There is quite a flood of members right now who have their system up the proverbial creek after trying that OS out and try get back to 7.


The other thing I will say is I did post a thread the other day - I don't know where it went but it had an article in Leo Notenboom's newsletter that had a discussion going re privacy issues in Windows 10 and frankly I found the material being discussed quite frightening.

I don't know about anyone else but in my simple mind both Microsoft and Intel are developing technologies that once tested and released then dictate what we as the consumer can do with their technologies. For example one only has to recall the rise of the i* cores of Intel and their chipsets to see that as each one emerges the older types / versions are rapidly dropped both by support from those two giant companies and leaves consumers like myself right now with the only option I have of replacing my Ivy Bridge board is to go Skylake.



If anyone would like to see that Leo Notenboom article PM me and I will give you the link.
Cloning is another good way to ensure you can recover from an experiment gone bad but, being the lazy, old bi...broad I am, I would prefer to not have to physically swap out anything (my SSD is a bit difficult to get at). It's just a matter of preference and what one is comfortable with.

I would love to see Leo Notenboom's newsletter but you have your PM turned off.
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04 Sep 2015   #58
ICIT2LOL

Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 10 Pro / Main lap Asus ROG 10 Pro 2 laptop Toshiba 7 Pro Asus P2520 7 & 10
 
 

Quote:
[Cloning is another good way to ensure you can recover from an experiment gone bad but, being the lazy, old bi...broad I am, I would prefer to not have to physically swap out anything (my SSD is a bit difficult to get at). It's just a matter of preference and what one is comfortable with.

I would love to see Leo Notenboom's newsletter but you have your PM turned off.
Nothing too difficult Jeannie if you check that against a new drive or a wipe and and reinstall etc etc

I will PM that link to you and I don't know why but several have said to me lately they couldn't get through while I have had plenty form others??
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04 Sep 2015   #59
Adams Seven

Windows 7 Professional 64
 
 

I do my best to keep data on a separate drive from the OS, and have used various tricks to point programs to the data directories at startup. (Firefox, for instance, will look for its profile wherever the start-up firefox-p switch tells it to look.) This setup probably encouraged me to do experimentation I wouldn't have tried otherwise. It's one thing to risk my OS install, another to risk my collection of cute puppy photos! (Just kiddin' ... )
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04 Sep 2015   #60
ICIT2LOL

Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 10 Pro / Main lap Asus ROG 10 Pro 2 laptop Toshiba 7 Pro Asus P2520 7 & 10
 
 

Quote:
I would love to see Leo Notenboom's newsletter but you have your PM turned off
Ok Jeannie I am trying to sort it out as it has been happening a fair bit just lately.

Adam yes mate I just image on a regular basis like I think some might have already mentioned an I do the odd one off's too especially if the machine(s) are playing up in case it is having an issue.
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