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Windows 7: Move a Large Branch - Don't Dig a Bigger Hole

27 Sep 2015   #1
baumgrenze

Win 7 Pro 64
 
 
Move a Large Branch - Don't Dig a Bigger Hole

I am running Win7/Pro x64.

I recently managed to unwittingly move a large branch (multiple levels of branching and many files) into my "My Documents" folder. I would like to undo what I did, but I have no idea how I did it. My guess is that I made a massive misuse of drag-and-drop

Said another way, I had a directory (very large, multi-branched folder) called "MyImageFiles" at the same level on my data drive as "My Documents." Now it is buried one level down in "My Documents."

What is the simplest way to undo this?

Thanks

baumgrenze


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28 Sep 2015   #2
rvcjew

7 Pro x64, 10 Pro x64
 
 

Are you just trying to move the folder back and you know where it is? If so then you right click the highest lvl folder of the branch and choose cut then paste that into where you want it to be and if it is to the same hdd it will just show up in correct location and be moved. If it is another drive it will move it to that new location. If you can not find that folder now but know the name of it or a file in it you can use the program "everything" to find it super quickly. Everything Search Engine I personally use this program daily for my file needs.


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28 Sep 2015   #3
baumgrenze

Win 7 Pro 64
 
 

I just checked. My System Specs are 'up-to-date' in my Profile Folder. Did I do something stupid to prevent others from viewing them?

Back in the 1980's I discovered a DOS utility called XTree which saved my ass at work many times. We used a terminal emulator called EMU-TEK on our PCs to search remote databases like the American Chemical Society's Chemical Abstracts or the many databases maintained by Dialog. It featured the ability to log the emulation session, thus storing the search results in a text file. Every once in a while it would arbitrarily send the file to the wrong directory. The file was easy to find using XTree's "Show All" command which quickly logged a hard disk and offered, as one option, a date sorted list of all the files on the disk. Since the 'lost' file was recent it was always near the top. This powerful utility was recreated by Kim Henkel as ZTreeWin:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZTreeWin

It is not longer freeware, but it is shareware worthy of subscription every day.

I thought it should offer a simple solution. It does. The 'graft' function allows the identification of a directory branch and moving it to another location is very simple. If the new location is on a second drive the process is a bit more involved but equally straightforward.

This whole exercise pointed out another 'space waster' feature of Windows 7. I resisted the 'Libraries' concept for a while and then succumbed to following the instructions a tutorial. Now TreeSizeFree tells me that I have been maintaining duplicate copies of every image I've saved, one in a directory I elected to call "MyImageFiles" which I've given some branching structure, and another called "Pictures." Unfortunately they are not the same size. Now I need to find out why. It is pretty clear that "Pictures" is an obligatory part of "Libraries."

D:\MyImageFiles 82,124.4 MB
D:\Pictures 75,718.4 MB

Thank you for your suggestions,

baumgrenze


Oh the joys of the "luxury of convenience."
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28 Sep 2015   #4
rvcjew

7 Pro x64, 10 Pro x64
 
 

That is odd the library should only keep an index and point to those files not duplicate them.
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28 Sep 2015   #5
baumgrenze

Win 7 Pro 64
 
 

Thank you, rvcjew, for persisting with me.

I've uploaded a screenshot image of the relevant part of the TreeSizeFree display.

I've also included 2 screenshots from part of a ZTreeWin 'show all' display of my data disk. The display is limited to *.jpg files sorted by date. It is clear that there are 2 adjacent files for each camera assigned file name. The only difference is in the path which is displayed on the second line from the top starting from the left.

I looked for 'documentation' of when and what I did to implement the use of the 'Pictures' Library function of Win 7. I know I used one of Shawn's many detailed tutorials. I vaguely remember that I was tired and wanted to get it done. There is probably a 'log' of what I did, or a 'settings' display I could open and capture in a screenshot. I won't do anything to try to 'undo' the Libraries settings until I am convinced that the 'Pictures' branch does not contain any unique information that is not in 'MyImageFiles.'

Have you any quick suggestions for what to look for (log or settings) that I could post?

thanks

baumgrenze


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28 Sep 2015   #6
rvcjew

7 Pro x64, 10 Pro x64
 
 

Is D:\pictures your pictures library location? If you right click the library and pick properties it will show you what it looks at. That software may not realize it is looking at a library (symlink's) of the original files.If you look at the properties of an image in the library does it then point to its true location like below?


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29 Sep 2015   #7
baumgrenze

Win 7 Pro 64
 
 

When I right click the Pictures Library I see the attached image.

I can't get a screen that matches your second image.

Life got more complicated today. Ugh! I decided to charge my iPhone 5 (my son's cast-off) using a USB port on my desktop and trusted the desktop. No new photos were found. Later on I decided it must be charged enough and unplugged it. I then reran ZTreeWin and did a ShowAll for all *.jpg files under "MyImageFiles" and discovered that 34,866 of 36,936 files were marked as "Modified On" with this morning's date and a time during which the iPhone was on the USB port. The files were accessed and marked in an order I do not yet understand. The rate of change seems to be size related.

I do not keep a copy of iTunes on my PC. I find maintaining it way too cumbersome. Perhaps they no longer force Safari as part of the install routine, but it all just seems too bloated. Clearly the iPhone has a copy of iTunes on it. Could it have examined each file in turn, which process then required the file to be marked with a new "Modified On" stamp?

But things are still more bizarre. When I use Windows Explorer and navigate to the two major folders I've described I find that in D:\Pictures\MyImageFiles\MyPictures\__Canon590Photos\220SeriesCanon\222Canon the file IMG_2200 creation on 8/19/15, modification on 8/21/15 whereas for D:\MyImageFiles\MyPictures\__Canon590Photos\220SeriesCanon\222Canon the same file name shows creation on 8/21/15 and modification on 9/29/15. The EXIF information from Irfanview for both images reads DateTimeOriginal - 2015:05:23 14:24:58). So, for 2 copies of the same image I have an 'original date' of 5/23/15, two different 'creation' dates and 'modification' dates. It seems as though the dates tracked by the Windows filing system are unreliable and that perhaps iTunes on a cell phone can thoroughly muck up dates on photos.

Is this date ambiguity a well documented phenomenon that Microsoft can't manage. By that I mean that the File Properties created dates are different for two copies of the same file and the 'real' date is something altogether different.

Also, I think this clearly establishes that I presently have 2 copies of most of my photos on my data drive. How that happened is still a mystery. Since these are jpg files, I wonder if they are lossless copies or if I have to worry about image degradation and which is better. If modification causes image degradation this also suggests the creation of a backup archive of images downloaded from the camera memory to prevent that loss.

I've probed the web a bit. I've seen other reports of wholesale changes in modification dates on files, but what I found involved 'cloud storage' and similar phenomena. Is there a 'creation date certain' that remains the constant for files like *.doc and *.xls files. Come to think of it, I think I've seen different 'created' dates using File>Properties on a Word document between the "General" tab and the "Statistics" tab.

I am ready to start getting less confused with each passing day. I have other things I want to do.

thanks

baumgrenze


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29 Sep 2015   #8
rvcjew

7 Pro x64, 10 Pro x64
 
 

Yes I agree you now have two separate folders and anytime something touches but not necessarily changes your files it will have a different modified date. It does look like you have some how duplicated your files, but also looks like since your library is looking for the image files folder in D:\mydocuments that you may have moved that folder from that location to the root of the D: drive and it used to reside there?
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29 Sep 2015   #9
baumgrenze

Win 7 Pro 64
 
 

Thanks again for persisting,

Yes, for years "MyImageFiles" resided at D:\, then, very recently, I found that it was all under "My Documents." Only this week I learned that the 'graft' command in ZTreeWin would painlessly move it back where it belongs. Things are 'better' but I still have the duplicate files. It appears that it is a 'blessing in disguise" since I think I can use the bulk of it to repair the 'damage' to "MyImageFiles" with regard to the new "modified" dates assigned this morning. I will explore the "Compare" function of ZTreeWin and see if it can be used to undo the new dates.

Do you, or anyone reading this, know if duplicating files in this manner invokes the 'lossy' character of *.jpg files, or do they need to be 'manipulated' in an editing program? I'm 'troubled' because Irfan Skilling went to the trouble to create a 'lossless jpg rotation routine" for irfanview.

I would also like to know what, if anything, I can do to avoid another of these unwanted intrusions on the 'Properties' of my files. Searching by date is important to me. Was this the iPhone and iTunes? If so, I need to learn a less intrusive way to download image files from an iPhone.

thanks,

baumgrenze
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30 Sep 2015   #10
rvcjew

7 Pro x64, 10 Pro x64
 
 

I do not use an Iphone but the dups would have the new modified dates of when the dups were created. I don't know by what you mean by invoking the lossy character of .jpg as that format is always lossy. jpg2000 on the other hand can be jpgLS which is lossless, put if you want lossless you really should use .tiff or .png. If the files are true copies then they are the same file and will still be lossless if your using jpg2000, the only thing that has changed with them is some metadata.
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