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Windows 7: Is the UI for Windows 7 onwards ugly on the eyes or just me?

08 Oct 2015   #11
indianacarnie

 

I'm one of those who really liked the aero effects of 7. I have the power to run it with no ill effects and (blush) just like the "bling". Having said that, my new machine came with 8.1 installed and the UI was just horrendous in my eyes. Luckily I only had to endure that assault on my eyeballs for about a week. I upgraded to 10 last night and while theres no aero (sigh), I do find the newer UI easier on my poor old eyes. I do not understand why the aero effects I love so much can't at least be an option for those of us with the power and desire to run them.


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08 Oct 2015   #12
Ascaris

Windows 7 x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by indianacarnie View Post
I upgraded to 10 last night and while theres no aero (sigh), I do find the newer UI easier on my poor old eyes.
I tried 10 for a few hours, and I went back to 7 because 10 was far too harsh on my eyes, with no option to change it.

With every version of Windows since 98, I think, I have set the backgrounds of all windows to light gray (prior to that, I used CRTs, and they didn't hurt with white the way LCDs do). Every version of Windows has given me the choice to do away with the white quickly and easily... except 10 (not including 8 here; I never tried it). Vast expanses of white pixels, and no way to change it (other than the even more hideous high-contrast themes). White backgrounds, white menus, white toolbars... and my retinas sizzling like bacon in a frying pan.

I tried my unsigned theme enabling patcher on 10, and while it said it performed the task, my themes still would not fully enable. Not surprisingly, I guess, since they're intended for 7... so I began to search for Win 10 themes that were not so bright. I found some promising "screenshots" on DeviantArt, only to find that they were mockups, because what they were trying to do was impossible with 10 as released.

I went back to 7 after that. 10 looked unfinished, like a product released before it was ready for prime time, and I remembered the example of Vista... much hated at release, but it eventually was developed into a usable and stable OS. Maybe 10 will yet become what I want... but for now, 7 is still the best choice for me, given that I never wanted most of the Win 10 "features" anyway (only DX12... Cortana and the ability to run phone apps are of no interest to me).
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I do not understand why the aero effects I love so much can't at least be an option for those of us with the power and desire to run them.
Because 8 and 10 are not about delivering the best desktop experience you can have the way 7 is. They're about trying to have one UI for phones/tablets and desktop PCs, and trying to get people invested in the MS "ecosystem" with 10 on the desktop, so when you buy your next phone, you will be more likely to select a Windows phone. Windows 8 and 10 have to be saddled with a phone-friendly interface because of Microsoft's cockamamie idea that there should be one Windows to rule them all. It doesn't matter that your desktop can handle Aero-- the question is, can most phones? If it's not going to work on a phone, it's not going to be on your Windows 10 PC.
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08 Oct 2015   #13
Ascaris

Windows 7 x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Stevekir View Post
Drag and drop: If the destination window for a file about to be saved is open on the desktop, with the save D. box active, click on that destination window and its file path is entered automatically into the save D. box, evn if that destination window is deeply burried in a file hiearchy. With Windows, I have normally to save the file to the desktop then drag it onto the destination window (if it is open) and if not open, save to the desktop and hunt for the window, or do File Save As and pick my way down to that window.
I can see how that could be convenient, but it might also be annoying if you switch away from the save dialog to rummage around in the file system to look for something (as I often do) without wanting the window I am clicking on to become the save destination.

If the intended destination is open in Windows explorer, you can simply click the breadcrumb bar (to the right of any of the entries) and it will change to a path, already highlighted for your convenience. Copy that, then go back to the save dialog and click the breadcrumb bar there (which then turns into a path) and paste.

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Also, if you have an image file on the desktop or buried deep in a file hierarchy, just drag it to Photoshop's icon on the equivalent of the Taskbar and Photoshop will open and display the file in one go.
I've never used Photoshop, but the functionality you seek is a part of Windows, although it is not implemented exactly the same. I've never used a Mac (other than the old black and white ones with the 9 inch black and white screen, and that was 25 years ago), so the comparison might not be exact.

To drag and drop a file into a program in the taskbar, simply drag it, point at the taskbar button for a second, and the program will pop up, and you can drop the file right into the window. If there are several instances of the program you want open, pointing at the taskbar icon will bring up a list or a series of previews of the instances (depending on settings); just point at the one you want for a second (still holding the button to drag) and it will pop up, and you can then drop the still-dragged file in. I like that better than I would like just dropping it into the icon on the taskbar directly-- because I could be attempting to drop the file into a window containing something I don't want to replace (if the program can only have one file open at a time, of course). By bringing up the window first, I can see where I am dropping it.

This works with the quick launch bar too; just aim (while dragging) at the program icon and make sure the tooltip says "open with {program}" rather than "Copy to Quick Launch." In that case, it always opens a new instance of the program, if the program is not able to handle multiple files at once, so overwriting an existing one is not an issue. I would imagine it works that way as well with pinned programs-- I don't use that feature, and I have it disabled at present, so I can't easily test it.

Additionally, if you are using a file type that is only used with one program, you can just double click the file to open it in the associated program. If this is not the case, you can right click the file and select "Open With..." and there will be a list of the programs you have used to open that file type. Any image file would show Photoshop as one of the options, so that would save you the difficulty you describe.

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In Windows I have to open Photoshop first, open a blank window in it and then drag the image on to it, and if the size of the Photoshop window is too small or too big, I have to use the Crop tool to enlarge it or make it smaller, (unless I have not discovered a one-step way in Windows). I'm a bit hazy now, but there were other examples.
If you drag the file into a part of the Photoshop Window that is not the default new file, perhaps it would open the file as new rather than pasting it over the default file (which is what seems to be happening). The "Open with" context menu item would avoid that difficulty. You could also create a shortcut to Photoshop, and drag the file to that... this would open a new instance of Photoshop with that file.
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08 Oct 2015   #14
AddRAM

Windows 7 Pro x64 Windows 10 Pro x64
 
 

Not reading the entire thread, but Windows 7 is beautiful and you can make the taskbar smaller if you want to.
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08 Oct 2015   #15
scr

1. Windows 7 Home Premium sp1 - 64bit 2. Windows 7 Pro sp1 - 64bit
 
 

I rarely use the the UI to interact with windows 7. Of course the program uses a window. Beyond that I've always found the Start Menu to be extremely cumbersome from the first time I used a Windows based computer on Win98. As far as opening programs, interacting with task bar and system tray I've found much easier ways to do what I want. Being a creature of habit I've carried the methods I used on Win98 to each new system as the years went by.

Don't get me wrong, I love Windows 7 because it allows you to find different ways to use it the way you want. In looking at the OS's beyond Win 7 it seems that the ability to change away from the Windows UI and use alternative methods is becoming more difficult or near impossible. I definitely didn't like Window8.x and while I haven't tried 10 I really doubt I will as I'm really content with what I have, but I won't say never.
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08 Oct 2015   #16
lehnerus2000

W7 Ultimate SP1, LM18.1 MATE, W10IP VM, W10 Home, #All 64 bit
 
 
Drag & Drop and VirtuaWin

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Stevekir View Post
I also found Windows "an awful experience" at first.

Drag and drop: If the destination window for a file about to be saved is open on the desktop, with the save D. box active, click on that destination window and its file path is entered automatically into the save D. box, evn if that destination window is deeply burried in a file hiearchy. With Windows, I have normally to save the file to the desktop then drag it onto the destination window (if it is open) and if not open, save to the desktop and hunt for the window, or do File Save As and pick my way down to that window.
That sounds handy (I wish someone had mentioned that on my TAFE course).

I found the "disembodied" menu bar particularly annoying.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Stevekir View Post
Also, if you have an image file on the desktop or buried deep in a file hierarchy, just drag it to Photoshop's icon on the equivalent of the Taskbar and Photoshop will open and display the file in one go. In Windows I have to open Photoshop first, open a blank window in it and then drag the image on to it, and if the size of the Photoshop window is too small or too big, I have to use the Crop tool to enlarge it or make it smaller, (unless I have not discovered a one-step way in Windows). I'm a bit hazy now, but there were other examples.
You can drag files to the:
  • Appropriate shortcut (or program icon) and they will open with that program
  • Program's window button, wait for it to popup and then drop the file into the window (as mentioned by Ascaris)
Is the UI for Windows 7 onwards ugly on the eyes or just me?-drop-desktop-shortcut-trimmed-.png
You can't drag files onto the "Pinned Taskbar buttons/icons" to open them (they get added to the "Jump List").

You can also combine the keyboard and mouse:
  • "Ctrl + Left mouse button" will copy the file where you release the button
  • "Shift + Left mouse button" will move the file where you release the button
  • "Alt + Left mouse button" will create a shortcut for the file where you release the button
If you "Drag & Drop" using the "Right mouse button", you will get a popup options menu when you release the button.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Stevekir View Post
That's good news about virtual windows. Your image seems just to list several (what I interpret as the) names of windows. Do Windows desktops slide completely away (complete with a set of windows, files, programs etc. all still open) and become completely replaced with a new desktop, complete with other files, windows, programs etc. all previously opened and ready for immediate use etc., and then back to the earlier desktop with its windows, files, programs etc. still open for immediate use? And can a file or folder etc. living on one virtual window be dragged and dropped to anothe virtual window without revealing those windows? If so, that's great news. I will investigate.

EDIT: I have just noticed Desktops v2.0 from MIcrosoft’s Windows Sysinternals site. Any view on that?
"VirtuaWin + KvasdoPager" works basically the same way as the Linux Virtual Desktops.

"KvasdoPager" is a toolbar.
You click on the desktop you want to switch to (you can set keyboard shortcuts if you want).
The current window disappears and is replaced with the chosen one.
Each virtual desktop remembers the windows that are open on it.

Windows Explorer, MS Office programs and almost every other program will only appear on the virtual desktop that you opened them on.
Some programs (e.g. "Macrium Reflect") and system tools (e.g. "Create a System Repair Disc") will appear on every virtual desktop.

You can "Drag & Drop" the icons shown in the "KvasdoPager" toolbar to other virtual desktops and they will be transferred to the chosen virtual desktop.
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I normally hide the VirtuaWin Notification icon.
I've never tried the Sysinternals virtual desktop program, so I can't comment on it.
The other Sysinternals programs I've tried are excellent (e.g. Process Explorer) so I'd expect their virtual desktop program to be good too.


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09 Oct 2015   #17
Stevekir

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
 
 

Thanks folks. I'm working through the various suggestions.
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