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Windows 7: Microsoft to users: You'll download Windows 10, and you'll like it

14 Nov 2015   #181
Indianatone

Windows 7 x64 Ultimate and numerous virtual machines
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post
We've already went through the settings

Manually checking for updates well that note on the bottom of the settings page should be noticed
I do not manually check for updates they come or not I'm not worried about that
And yes they do show up by themselves.

Must be all those v-m's M$ knows you want it
I am slowly going through the VM of 7 and 8 and removing the updates. I have no idea what else to do.


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14 Nov 2015   #182
jonnyhillow

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Indianatone View Post
I don't understand this. I have all the patches listed in the document removed from the machine and also group policy set to never download or notify me of updates to Windows 10 yet here it is and I have no idea how to remove the upgrade to TEN. Microsoft this is crazy. Leave my Windows 7 and my machines alone. They are my machines and not yours.

Download this update and then alter group policy as set in the document is the only way to get rid of this now.
I am very angry that I have to mess about so much just to keep Virus 10 off of my machine. I have never had to mess with a virus this hard. 10 is malware, I did not ask for it and I do not want it.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3080351




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I am very angry , i did not ask for it and I do not want it.
Good luck with that , i tried that and MS told me that deep down i really do want it and i'm just being stubborn , i said stubborn huh , MS said yes your just being stubborn and i said maybe your right but then i snapped out of it and said "no" .

MS and myself are currently in a standoff but tension is building and i feel this could lead to blows , will report back but it seems resistance is futile .
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14 Nov 2015   #183
Golden
Microsoft MVP

Windows 7 Ult. x64
 
 

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Read the EULA the next time you have an hour or three. MSpy admits they are uploading your data from your computer and you have to agree to it to use Win 10. They claim they are only going to use it to ferret out problems (and that's probably true) but what is to keep hackers, governments, etc. from accessing that data?
Then by definition it isn't theft.
By legal definition it isn't theft. Morally is another story. And no matter what definition you want to play semantics with, it is still invasive, a violation of one's privacy, and puts one's data at increased risk for being stolen since MSpy is a far more likely target for hackers and government spying than an individual computer system.
The legal definition is the only one that matters and can be tested objectively. Morality is far too subjective.
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15 Nov 2015   #184
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

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Then by definition it isn't theft.
By legal definition it isn't theft. Morally is another story. And no matter what definition you want to play semantics with, it is still invasive, a violation of one's privacy, and puts one's data at increased risk for being stolen since MSpy is a far more likely target for hackers and government spying than an individual computer system.
The legal definition is the only one that matters and can be tested objectively. Morality is far too subjective.
You are still playing with semantics, which has nothing to do with the point, the point being the invasion of people's privacy (and please spare me the tired old rant about nothing is private on the internet) and putting our data at greater risk by putting it in a more vulnerable location. And that doesn't even start to cover the fact that MSpy is doing their level best to ram Win 10 down our throats, the loss of certain features, forced updates that can brick our computers or render expensive software or even hardware suddenly obsolete, sneaking in ads, etc.
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15 Nov 2015   #185
UsernameIssues

W7 Pro SP1 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Indianatone View Post
I don't understand this. I have all the patches listed in the document removed from the machine and also group policy set to never download or notify me of updates to Windows 10 yet here it is and I have no idea how to remove the upgrade to TEN. Microsoft this is crazy. Leave my Windows 7 and my machines alone. They are my machines and not yours.

Download this update and then alter group policy as set in the document is the only way to get rid of this now.
I am very angry that I have to mess about so much just to keep Virus 10 off of my machine. I have never had to mess with a virus this hard. 10 is malware, I did not ask for it and I do not want it.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3080351
So let's see: at some point in time, you...
...installed KB3065987*
...set the GPO that was added to your system
...and then uninstalled KB3065987*.

*Or a newer version of the Windows Update Client.

If you avoided or uninstalled every Windows Update Client from KB3065987 forward, then that GPO setting was ignored. Windows Update Clients prior to KB3065987 are not going to look for that GPO.

If you are going to install KB3065987, then what is the rationale for not updating the Windows Update Clients each time a new version comes out? The November version has helped several people.
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15 Nov 2015   #186
Golden
Microsoft MVP

Windows 7 Ult. x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Golden View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post

By legal definition it isn't theft. Morally is another story. And no matter what definition you want to play semantics with, it is still invasive, a violation of one's privacy, and puts one's data at increased risk for being stolen since MSpy is a far more likely target for hackers and government spying than an individual computer system.
The legal definition is the only one that matters and can be tested objectively. Morality is far too subjective.
You are still playing with semantics, which has nothing to do with the point, the point being the invasion of people's privacy (and please spare me the tired old rant about nothing is private on the internet) and putting our data at greater risk by putting it in a more vulnerable location. And that doesn't even start to cover the fact that MSpy is doing their level best to ram Win 10 down our throats, the loss of certain features, forced updates that can brick our computers or render expensive software or even hardware suddenly obsolete, sneaking in ads, etc.
It has nothing to do with semantics, and the point I replied to was never about invasion of privacy or data at risk.

This is what I posted in response to - some items made bold in case you missed it.
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Also one last thing i want to mention is Microsoft stealing data from your computer. I mean are they really serious? They can steal somebody's personal information and banking account. That itself is just insane, to believe that Microsoft really wants to do this to us. We are just innocent people that wants to have a functional computer without anyone spying on us etc. From my perspective Microsoft has taken this too far.
If you agree to the EULA, there can be no theft, and I doubt Microsoft is interested in anyone's bank account.
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15 Nov 2015   #187
Brds7t7

Windows 7 Pro 64-Bit, Windows 7 Ultimate 64-Bit, Windows 8.1 Pro 64-Bit
 
 

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I don't understand this. I have all the patches listed in the document removed from the machine and also group policy set to never download or notify me of updates to Windows 10 yet here it is and I have no idea how to remove the upgrade to TEN. Microsoft this is crazy. Leave my Windows 7 and my machines alone. They are my machines and not yours.
That is really weird. You checked the Widows Installed list and KB3035583 is definitely not there ?

I have read that the registry can get reset by MS for the upgrade - it is still as you set it?

Microsoft Admits It Tried to Install Windows 10 on Windows 7/8 Without Users Knowing About It - Softpedia

W10 installs in the background - but all fixed now. Another mistake they knew nothing about!
None of the updates listed in my document are on any of my machines. The registry setting was over ridden for the second time. This time I have applied the update 3065987
and the group policy setting.
I haven't had a single machine download any 10 upgrade files with the Group Policy set. You should be fine with that in place Indianatone
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15 Nov 2015   #188
kronckew

Win 7 ultimate x64 sp1
 
 

i downloaded it and i like it.
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15 Nov 2015   #189
ThrashZone

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
 
 

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post
We've already went through the settings

Manually checking for updates well that note on the bottom of the settings page should be noticed
I do not manually check for updates they come or not I'm not worried about that
And yes they do show up by themselves.

Must be all those v-m's M$ knows you want it
I am slowly going through the VM of 7 and 8 and removing the updates. I have no idea what else to do.
I finally loaded the last round of Important only updates yesterday
Going by what you're saying I should be getting a win-10 prompt in a few more days
I'll let you know
Office 2007 is working as usual on 2 desktops
Realtek who cares I hate that silly utility but sound in general works in WMP and everywhere else
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15 Nov 2015   #190
Painter

W7Pro/64
 
 

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Indianatone View Post
I don't understand this. I have all the patches listed in the document removed from the machine and also group policy set to never download or notify me of updates to Windows 10 yet here it is and I have no idea how to remove the upgrade to TEN. Microsoft this is crazy. Leave my Windows 7 and my machines alone. They are my machines and not yours.
That is really weird. You checked the Widows Installed list and KB3035583 is definitely not there ?

I have read that the registry can get reset by MS for the upgrade - it is still as you set it?

Microsoft Admits It Tried to Install Windows 10 on Windows 7/8 Without Users Knowing About It - Softpedia

W10 installs in the background - but all fixed now. Another mistake they knew nothing about!
None of the updates listed in my document are on any of my machines. The registry setting was over ridden for the second time. This time I have applied the update 3065987
and the group policy setting.
Some users are in the habit of shutting down rather than hibernating after a day's work and those who shutdown have stated that they sometimes have noticed the 'updates being installed' message. Some have stated that there were no updates ready to download or install before the shutdown. I can only remember seeing the shield on the shutdown button once, and a restart did not make it go away - when I chose shutdown I got that message too. It puzzled me as I had not installed any updates that session. I noticed there was quite a bit of re-configuring going on. I can only assume it was one of those background updates that MS chooses to silently install - nor did I get that follow-on WU message that says 'updates were installed on your system'.

The bug that MS has admitted to - an unrelated update that caused the W10 Upgrade to install in the background, without user permission may have been triggered by a shutdown and explain why some users got it and others did not. It would help if MS explained the issue in detail and identified its trigger.
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