Microsoft to users: You'll download Windows 10, and you'll like it

I just got done with 1 of 2 builds im doing. and to get a Real lifetime disc copy of win7 i paid 250 bucks. for professional 64 and 32 bit. windows 7 has gone up ALOT in the past 6 to 9 months. windows 7 ultimate was 200 now its 400 to 450. that tells me there are a lots of folks who dont want thier xboxy intrusive win 10. and im one of them. my updates have been turned off since install under services [ really turned off ] . there are a few good short videos on youtube on how to really turn off your win 7 updates. it works but note i also had to turn my antivirus to manual updates or the darn thing turns the win 7 updates back on. trixie hobbiteszes

My 6-year old eMachine got the Windows 10 burn. After a few minor problems it works fine and I will keep it until it smokes. My wife will not change to Win-10, so I will have to try to keep up with WIn-7 stuff. Oh well. My next machine may be a laptop, but I still like thin-line desktops.

Barman58 said:

If you get to a stage after ignoring the multiple warnings about upgrade and suitable dates, and actually find that your upgrade has started you simply decline the EULA and windows rolls back to what it was before. There are 3rd party methods to prevent update even on home versions

Unfortunately there are plenty of reports that the rollback doesn't always work properly, and as a result systems can be messedup by the unwanted upgrade - something that is not helped by the way in which Microsoft have gone against the established conventions by switching the EULA to the end of the installation process rather than allowing you to decline the upgrade before it's commenced.

I agree about the 3rd party methods to prevent updates in the first place, but they really shouldn't be necessary.

Bertison said:

For me, it comes down to the complete ignorance and disrespect of the principle of Free Will by Microsoft. As a member of my country's Armed Forces for 12 years, I either stood against, or fought, the enemies of democracy and free will in more than one theatre. I did that as a volunteer soldier, not a conscript. That is the principle and viewpoint that repels me when Microsoft is trying to force this O/S upon my machines.

If Microsoft offers Windows 10 as a Full Retail disc, for me to own forever and use at my discretion, I would think again. That is the reality of the full copy of Windows 7 that I bought: I can uninstall it from one machine and use it on the next system I build or buy. Microsoft does not seem to understand the principle of ownership: when someone buys a car/washing machine/HiFi/ whatever, that person owns that item, until it either breaks down or they sell it on.

Wow, I beat the draft in 1960 when my DI told me while in boot camp that the Army couldn't have me, I was already in the Air Force :) Spent 8 years doing that. BTW, thanks for your service.

Bertison said:

Microsoft does not seem to understand the principle of ownership: when someone buys a car/washing machine/HiFi/ whatever, that person owns that item, until it either breaks down or they sell it on.

Unfortunately - many do not seem to understand the principle of software licensing. We do not "own" anything - regardless if you have a disc or whatever methods you use to install. All you really have is license to use this product - one that Microsoft is allowing you to hold and one they control the usage of - as they see fit.

If they decide one day that your install key is no longer valid - and a new install of Windows 7 suddenly will not activate - there is little you can do about that.

I do agree with free will. I should have the ability to forever want to use my current "license" as I see fit.

But do not think for a moment that we actually own anything in this scenario.

VP