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Windows 7: What is more harmful -- installing or skipping updates?

13 Nov 2015   #11
Brds7t7

Windows 7 Pro 64-Bit, Windows 7 Ultimate 64-Bit, Windows 8.1 Pro 64-Bit
 
 

My advice, install security updates but wait a few days to see if there are any issues. I've always had WU set to check for updates but never install since Windows XP.

The other updates recommended/optional are completely up to you. They'll be different for each users needs.


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13 Nov 2015   #12
dc2000

Windows
 
 

Yes, it seems to be the consensus -- to review all updates and install only the critical ones. It just takes so much time. Those updates are poorly labeled and their description is such a Microsoft-speak. It's almost like you need a designated person to do all that.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Clairvaux
I did some fresh research, and realised that MSE got catastrophic results from several reputable anti-virus benchmarks, to the point that Microsoft had asked them to please not rate it anymore against its competitors.
Do you have any links to such research/claim?

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Clairvaux
Whitelisting applications seems a pretty radical method to me. Not saying that it's wrong in your case, but isn't that an approach best suited to corporate environments
Why is it wrong in my case? And, yes, I am using it in our office, so yes, it is kinda like a corporate environment. The idea is that you should not be installing anything new on your work system. In case of computer enthusiasts (which I include myself as well) I always install stuff into Virtual Machines. I use VMWare Workstation, but there's a free version of Virtual Box from Oracle that can do that. So the rule of thumb is that NOTHING is installed on my main machine (after I install the initial software during its installation) and all experiments go into VMs.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Clairvaux
That being said, modern free anti-virus has to be taken with a grain of salt
Like I said before, they all SUCK. None of them are worth the money you pay for them, and free ones are using you to harvest your data. I know, it's a Windows forum, but what I do for my Mom or anyone who is not good at monitoring computer security, I get them (or advise them to get) an iPad or a MacBook. I know that OS X can also get malware, but just by being less popular than Windows, hackers are less interested in it. Plus the new OS X has a nice set of features to lock down any installation of software that is not in the store, which I always do for a person who "doesn't know what they are doing"

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Clairvaux
And Windows 7 Home Premium doesn't have Group policy anyway.
You know I don't have home premium at hand so you may want to check. I know that you can still use local GPOs even on non-domain connected systems. Do Windows Key + R and then type in gpedit.msc and see if it opens up. If it does, then you can configure some basic group policies for your local system too. It won't use App Locker on a non Enterprise/Ultimate system because it won't have a needed service, but you can still use a more primitive/basic whitelisting by going to Local Computer Policy -> User Configuration -> System -> Run only specified Windows applications. It will allow to configure processes by name, which is less secure but is better than nothing for a more-or-less static system where you don't install new software every day.
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13 Nov 2015   #13
Clairvaux

Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (OEM)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by dc2000 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Clairvaux
I did some fresh research, and realised that MSE got catastrophic results from several reputable anti-virus benchmarks, to the point that Microsoft had asked them to please not rate it anymore against its competitors.
Do you have any links to such research/claim?
I do not have my whole documentation handy because my user data is not restored yet, but you can start here :
www.av-comparatives.org
www.av-test.org
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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Clairvaux
Whitelisting applications seems a pretty radical method to me. Not saying that it's wrong in your case, but isn't that an approach best suited to corporate environments
Why is it wrong in my case ?
That's a complete misunderstanding. I was stressing, on the contrary, that I did not mean to imply, in any way, that the whitelisting route was a wrong strategy on your part.
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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Clairvaux
That being said, modern free anti-virus has to be taken with a grain of salt
Like I said before, they all SUCK.
A bit extreme, maybe ?... The aforementioned testing institutions don't seem to trash them the way you do.
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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Clairvaux
And Windows 7 Home Premium doesn't have Group policy anyway.
Do Windows Key + R and then type in gpedit.msc and see if it opens up.
Thanks... nothing there, unfortunately.
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15 Nov 2015   #14
dc2000

Windows
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Clairvaux
I do not have my whole documentation handy because my user data is not restored yet, but you can start here :
www.av-comparatives.org
www.av-test.org
Sorry, my friend, giving a home page for a web site would not qualify as evidence for the claims you made. Please stop spreading rumors.
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15 Nov 2015   #15
jonnyhillow

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

I checked out those links and i was surprised by some of the results.

Windows Sevens built in firewall seems to score as high as the best paid firewalls which is good news for me , i never had a problem with it. Seems Windows 10 Defender scores in the middle of the pack but it appears it is never directly compared to the others for comparison . I don't think it got terrible results but average results it seems .

The one thing i was surprised at though was Microsoft's AV is shown to be in the middle of the pack as far as system impact performance , i always thought of it as being the least resource hungry but thats because i am rarely if ever correct so it makes sense i got that one wrong .
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15 Nov 2015   #16
ThrashZone

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
 
 

Hi,
Yep just get your windows update settings in order so Important updates are clearly separated from recommended and optional ones
Then always wait a few days/ weekend for rejects to be removed or fixed.
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19 Nov 2015   #17
Clairvaux

Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (OEM)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by dc2000 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Clairvaux
I do not have my whole documentation handy because my user data is not restored yet, but you can start here :
www.av-comparatives.org
www.av-test.org
Sorry, my friend, giving a home page for a web site would not qualify as evidence for the claims you made. Please stop spreading rumors.
I certainly did not try to provide any "evidence" to you.

I assumed you were asking a question in good faith, that's why I took upon my time to help you, and provide starting points from where you could make your own research.

I now realise you think of yourself as a policeman, you presume everybody else is guilty, and they have to provide "evidence" to you that they are innocent. I don't know what sort of delusional, fantasy world you live in. Please do not ask any more questions from me.
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12 Dec 2015   #18
dc2000

Windows
 
 

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12 Dec 2015   #19
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

MSE must be doing something right. A lot of people seem to think so.

https://www.opswat.com/resources/rep...e-january-2015

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13 Dec 2015   #20
Ztruker

Windows 10 Pro X64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by dc2000 View Post
Why not have one system that you use as a Guinea Pig. Apply updates then run it for a week or two. If ok, update the rest. If not, find the problem, hide the update then do the same for the rest.

Not perfect but a workable solution.
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