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Windows 7: Why do Refurb PCs need a new Windows COA ?

13 Dec 2015   #11
bigmck

Windows 7 Home Premium 32-Bit - Build 7600 SP1
 
 

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Um... How is what you are saying different from the poster you quoted was saying?
He says you can't burn one for a friend and I say you can.
"Technically speaking", that would be considered distributing the software and only Microsoft or authorized distributors are allowed that privilege.

I'm guessing that's the point they were trying to make.
That does make sense. I was wondering last week why this Forum did not post ISO so we would have easy access to them. You just answered my question about that also. Thanks,


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13 Dec 2015   #12
derekimo

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by bigmck View Post
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He says you can't burn one for a friend and I say you can.
"Technically speaking", that would be considered distributing the software and only Microsoft or authorized distributors are allowed that privilege.

I'm guessing that's the point they were trying to make.
That does make sense. I was wondering last week why this Forum did not post ISO so we would have easy access to them. You just answered my question about that also. Thanks,
You're welcome. Yeah, that is the reason we don't post them, the actions taken by Microsoft and Google would also be detrimental to the forum which we don't want or need either.
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13 Dec 2015   #13
paul1149

Linux Lite 2.8 x64 (full-featured, fast, rock-solid)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by HodgePodge View Post

Looks like a refurber has to have the original install media to sell the PC with the original COA, otherwise they have to get a refurber COA. Of course, most makers of PCs no longer include the install media to original purchasers. So, the rules are different for refurbers and the OEM. And how about private sales from original owner to second owner, with no physical media? Are these sales technically illegal?
"Physical media" here also includes the Restore partition, I trust.

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You can also install the certificate and keycode with various programs and just use a generic win 7 install media. Legal to do so with a authentic COA on the case. This works well, I've used it many times
But it again comes down to the presence of the physical restore media, does it not (as you indeed restated later)?

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Most of the time the giant refurbers get the PCs from corporate lease returns, the drives are removed, and they have no restore media since most of the OEM no longer provide restore media unless you ask for it. I'm sure MS likes it this way. They get more fee income from selling refurb COA
The OEMs get money from recovery media sales as well, and from sales of new units to replace older units whose cost of repair has been driven to unsustainable levels by the MS licensing policy.

Does anyone know how this applies to Win8/8.1? There, a simple install via a generic iso will automatically activate via the BIOS. And indeed, there is no COA on the machine. Has MS loosened the licensing restriction finally?
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13 Dec 2015   #14
HodgePodge

windows 7 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by paul1149 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by HodgePodge View Post

Looks like a refurber has to have the original install media to sell the PC with the original COA, otherwise they have to get a refurber COA. Of course, most makers of PCs no longer include the install media to original purchasers. So, the rules are different for refurbers and the OEM. And how about private sales from original owner to second owner, with no physical media? Are these sales technically illegal?
"Physical media" here also includes the Restore partition, I trust.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by HodgePodge View Post
You can also install the certificate and keycode with various programs and just use a generic win 7 install media. Legal to do so with a authentic COA on the case. This works well, I've used it many times
But it again comes down to the presence of the physical restore media, does it not (as you indeed restated later)?

Quote:
Most of the time the giant refurbers get the PCs from corporate lease returns, the drives are removed, and they have no restore media since most of the OEM no longer provide restore media unless you ask for it. I'm sure MS likes it this way. They get more fee income from selling refurb COA
The OEMs get money from recovery media sales as well, and from sales of new units to replace older units whose cost of repair has been driven to unsustainable levels by the MS licensing policy.

Does anyone know how this applies to Win8/8.1? There, a simple install via a generic iso will automatically activate via the BIOS. And indeed, there is no COA on the machine. Has MS loosened the licensing restriction finally?
this info below is for system builders.

"System builders may not offer a recovery solution with removable media (such as a recovery CD) because it is prohibited by the terms of the Microsoft OEM System Builder License. A full version of the Windows operating system is provided on a hologram CD in the Microsoft System Builder Pack for each end user, and the CD must be transferred to the end user at the time of distribution. The hologram CD acts as the recovery media.
However, system builders can offer a hard disk recovery solution in addition to, but not as a replacement for, the hologram CD
MS requires the actual physical media, not just the recovery partition"

Here, you see MS wants even the end user to have the builders recovery media to reinstall Windows on his own PC. This would be for buyers of PCs built with MS OEM install disks

"Q: I've lost the Windows DVD or my recovery disc that came with the PC and now my PC just crashed. Can't I just use a different DVD or burn my own and reinstall Windows using my OEM key?
A: You could "borrow" a Windows DVD from your neighbor or download/burn an ISO from DigitalRiver (Microsoft's online retail partner) and activate Windows with it. It would run for all eternity and have full support for updates. But Microsoft's licensing agreements see this as a violation as you're combining a license from one version with the physical media of another version. Hence: Not legal. You'd be better off trying to ask your PC manufacturer for replacement media."


For refurbers, it's different

"As of January 1, 2014, Microsoft Authorized Refurbishers are no longer including recovery media supplied on DVDs with refurbished PC purchases. Customers who buy a refurbished PC will have another option to access a recovery image in the event that they need it. The most popular method is to access the recovery image that is available on the hard drive of the computer. Or the customer may be prompted to create their own recovery media. You can learn more about making your own system backup "

So, large OEM like Dell, are not required to sell a PC with the physical media, a refurber can sell a PC with no physical media and a restore partition, and a smaller mom and pop store who uses purchased OEM install disks must sell the PC with those disks, but can include a recovery partition with the install disks
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13 Dec 2015   #15
bigmck

Windows 7 Home Premium 32-Bit - Build 7600 SP1
 
 

Just a question. == I have accidently deleted my Recovery Partition. I downloaded an ISO and made a CD in case I wanted to do a Clean Install. It sounds like that would be a violation if I used the CD. Is that right?
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13 Dec 2015   #16
paul1149

Linux Lite 2.8 x64 (full-featured, fast, rock-solid)
 
 

According to iFixit.com, a Windows Refurb COA costs about $33. Then there are disk wiping requirements, and probably paperwork as well. Hard to see how this would work in the marketplace, except on high-end units.
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13 Dec 2015   #17
HodgePodge

windows 7 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by paul1149 View Post
According to iFixit.com, a Windows Refurb COA costs about $33. Then there are disk wiping requirements, and probably paperwork as well. Hard to see how this would work in the marketplace, except on high-end units.
Arrow Direct sells a very large amount of corp lease returns that they refurb with a refurb COA and fresh install of windows with recovery partition. Some of their units are low priced.. They probably get a better deal with MS with large volume license purchases
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13 Dec 2015   #18
HodgePodge

windows 7 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by bigmck View Post
Just a question. == I have accidently deleted my Recovery Partition. I downloaded an ISO and made a CD in case I wanted to do a Clean Install. It sounds like that would be a violation if I used the CD. Is that right?
well, let's say it's a Dell. You deleted the recovery partition. MS wants you to order the recovery media from Dell to do a legal install, even though your neighbor might have the exact same PC and exact same recovery media, you can't legally borrow his
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13 Dec 2015   #19
ThrashZone

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by bigmck View Post
Just a question. == I have accidently deleted my Recovery Partition. I downloaded an ISO and made a CD in case I wanted to do a Clean Install. It sounds like that would be a violation if I used the CD. Is that right?
Depends on where you downloaded the iso
If downloaded from M$ you're good they are the only ones that today are legal to distribute windows of any version.

If you downloaded from a torrent then the torrent is in violation of distributing copyrighted M$ software.
Pretty much why SevenForums does not want to become a torrent iso download spot
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13 Dec 2015   #20
bigmck

Windows 7 Home Premium 32-Bit - Build 7600 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by bigmck View Post
Just a question. == I have accidently deleted my Recovery Partition. I downloaded an ISO and made a CD in case I wanted to do a Clean Install. It sounds like that would be a violation if I used the CD. Is that right?
Depends on where you downloaded the iso
If downloaded from M$ you're good they are the only ones that today are legal to distribute windows of any version.

If you downloaded from a torrent then the torrent is in violation of distributing copyrighted M$ software.
Pretty much why SevenForums does not want to become a torrent iso download spot
I guess if I ever do a Clean Install, I will be looking for someone to bail me out of jail.
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