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Windows 7: Why do Refurb PCs need a new Windows COA ?

12 Dec 2015   #1
HodgePodge

windows 7 64 bit
 
 
Why do Refurb PCs need a new Windows COA ?

I'm curious as to why a refurb PC, like a Dell, HP, Lenovo, with an existing Win 7 COA, and all original parts, needs a new Win 7 COA refurb COA ? I thought the original COA applied when new, was good for the original hardware?

I've purchased several refurb PCs from large refurbers, and they all had the original COA, with a big X on it, and another new COA with refurbished on it.
Thanks

UPDATE..

"The original Microsoft (COA) attached to the PC does not allow you to reload Microsoft Windows software when no original recovery media is present. "
"When transferring the PC to the new end user, the software media, manuals (if applicable), and Certificate of Authenticity label must be included"

Looks like a refurber has to have the original install media to sell the PC with the original COA, otherwise they have to get a refurber COA. Of course, most makers of PCs no longer include the install media to original purchasers. So, the rules are different for refurbers and the OEM. And how about private sales from original owner to second owner, with no physical media? Are these sales technically illegal?


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12 Dec 2015   #2
Acecool

Windows 7 Professional x64
 
 

It depends with what they mean by that, but the COA Label includes the code so if you have a Windows Installation Disc, you should have no trouble using it as long as it isn't in use on any other computer; ie the code is tied to the computer.

If you don't have a disc you can either buy one from Microsoft ( $15 I think ), or you can download one from Microsoft.com and burn it to a disc ( They provide these so you don't need to visit sketchy sites in order to create a backup of software you own a license to, which is allowed under Federal Law last time I checked [ Most software also states: Do not make ILLEGAL COPIES of the disc; which means you can't burn one for a friend or for resale, but you may make one for yourself so if the original is lost or broken, you still have access )
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12 Dec 2015   #3
fireberd

Windows 10 64 bit
 
 

With a refurb, in most cases the original product key (COA) has already been used and registered with the original owner. Thus they have to supply a different key with the refurb.
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12 Dec 2015   #4
HodgePodge

windows 7 64 bit
 
 

Oh, I know what to do, done it plenty of times with various OEM. Dell, HP, Lenovo etc. I have the factory restore discs for windows 7 for these OEM. Most people don't know that the certificate and key codes are the same within an OEM win 7 restore disks for their various models. So, a Dell Win 7 restore disk for a laptop works on a desktop too. You still need to install drivers. All the OEM restore disks do is install the correct certificate and key for that particular OEM . This is legal to do so with an authentic COA on the case, and the PC came with the original OEM restore disks when you got it.

You can also install the certificate and keycode with various programs and just use a generic win 7 install media. Legal to do so with a authentic COA on the case. This works well, I've used it many times

As long as the bios is a SLIC V2.1, and it will be if the PC had Win 7 to began with, you have the valid certificate and key, you are good to go with the win 7 install

My reason for starting the thread was curiosity why a refurber could not use the original hardware with the original COA , why he had to purchase a MS refurber COA , and void the original COA, And the reason is MS requires the recovery media to accompany the PC when it sells on the secondary market. Most of the time the giant refurbers get the PCs from corporate lease returns, the drives are removed, and they have no restore media since most of the OEM no longer provide restore media unless you ask for it. I'm sure MS likes it this way. They get more fee income from selling refurb COA

"The original Microsoft (COA) attached to the PC does not allow you to reload Microsoft Windows software when no original recovery media is present. "
"When transferring the PC to the new end user, the software media, manuals (if applicable), and Certificate of Authenticity label must be included"
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12 Dec 2015   #5
bigmck

Windows 7 Home Premium 32-Bit - Build 7600 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Acecool View Post
It depends with what they mean by that, but the COA Label includes the code so if you have a Windows Installation Disc, you should have no trouble using it as long as it isn't in use on any other computer; ie the code is tied to the computer.

If you don't have a disc you can either buy one from Microsoft ( $15 I think ), or you can download one from Microsoft.com and burn it to a disc ( They provide these so you don't need to visit sketchy sites in order to create a backup of software you own a license to, which is allowed under Federal Law last time I checked [ Most software also states: Do not make ILLEGAL COPIES of the disc; which means you can't burn one for a friend or for resale, but you may make one for yourself so if the original is lost or broken, you still have access )
I don't think that is correct. There is no difference in burning a copy of your Win 7 for a friend or the friend D/L a copy from the Internet. Same file.
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12 Dec 2015   #6
HodgePodge

windows 7 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by fireberd View Post
With a refurb, in most cases the original product key (COA) has already been used and registered with the original owner. Thus they have to supply a different key with the refurb.

that's actually not correct, original owners of OEM machines do not get a unique key code at all, and I have proven this many times , as has that famous hacker who developed that famous Win 7 hack software, which I am not advocating using at all. For example, a Dell win 7 pro 64 bit restore disk from a 2009 laptop installs the same certificate and key as does a Dell win 7 pro 64 bit restore disk for a desktop from 2012
I have reinstalled many win 7 OS on various different Dell OEM machine models, using the same restore disk, and they all immediately verify authentic with or without web access. BUT, I know now that MS requires the original restore disk to accompany the PC as it sells in the secondary market. Having just the correct COA is not good enough. One might be able to order the restore media from the OEM, even if it is older. I have done this, until I discovered that I was getting the identical restore disk sent to me for different models.

In order to be legal , one needs to have the OEM restore discs with the machine and the valid COA on the case.

https://social.technet.microsoft.com...w7itproinstall
"Hello,
No you are not expected to change it.
The OEM ( Dell in your case) uses the same key ( may be different between machine models, may not) on all the machines, which is tied to information in the BIOS of those machine to meet the activation requirement.
The key on the side of the machine does not need to be used unless there is an issue with the OEM activation process( the bios loses the signature, the key inside the OS is accidently removed or corrupted). The key on the side requires the machine to be activated via the Microsoft Activation servers."
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12 Dec 2015   #7
AndreyT

Windows 7 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by bigmck View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Acecool View Post
Most software also states: Do not make ILLEGAL COPIES of the disc; which means you can't burn one for a friend or for resale, but you may make one for yourself so if the original is lost or broken, you still have access )
I don't think that is correct. There is no difference in burning a copy of your Win 7 for a friend or the friend D/L a copy from the Internet. Same file.
Um... How is what you are saying different from the poster you quoted was saying?
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12 Dec 2015   #8
bigmck

Windows 7 Home Premium 32-Bit - Build 7600 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by AndreyT View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by bigmck View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Acecool View Post
Most software also states: Do not make ILLEGAL COPIES of the disc; which means you can't burn one for a friend or for resale, but you may make one for yourself so if the original is lost or broken, you still have access )
I don't think that is correct. There is no difference in burning a copy of your Win 7 for a friend or the friend D/L a copy from the Internet. Same file.
Um... How is what you are saying different from the poster you quoted was saying?
He says you can't burn one for a friend and I say you can.
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12 Dec 2015   #9
derekimo

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by bigmck View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by AndreyT View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by bigmck View Post

I don't think that is correct. There is no difference in burning a copy of your Win 7 for a friend or the friend D/L a copy from the Internet. Same file.
Um... How is what you are saying different from the poster you quoted was saying?
He says you can't burn one for a friend and I say you can.
"Technically speaking", that would be considered distributing the software and only Microsoft or authorized distributors are allowed that privilege.

I'm guessing that's the point they were trying to make.
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12 Dec 2015   #10
derekimo

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by HodgePodge View Post
I'm curious as to why a refurb PC, like a Dell, HP, Lenovo, with an existing Win 7 COA, and all original parts, needs a new Win 7 COA refurb COA ? I thought the original COA applied when new, was good for the original hardware?

I've purchased several refurb PCs from large refurbers, and they all had the original COA, with a big X on it, and another new COA with refurbished on it.
Thanks

UPDATE..

"The original Microsoft (COA) attached to the PC does not allow you to reload Microsoft Windows software when no original recovery media is present. "
"When transferring the PC to the new end user, the software media, manuals (if applicable), and Certificate of Authenticity label must be included"

Looks like a refurber has to have the original install media to sell the PC with the original COA, otherwise they have to get a refurber COA. Of course, most makers of PCs no longer include the install media to original purchasers. So, the rules are different for refurbers and the OEM. And how about private sales from original owner to second owner, with no physical media? Are these sales technically illegal?
Just to get back on topic, have you checked this out?

https://www.microsoft.com/refurbishedpcs/programs.aspx
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