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Windows 7: New concern re 10

01 Jan 2016   #51
scr

1. Windows 7 Home Premium sp1 - 64bit 2. Windows 7 Pro sp1 - 64bit
 
 

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All you have to do is make a weekly image of your system using Macrium Reflect. This way if MS should install Win 10, all you have to do is Restore your Win 7 image and in 15 minutes you are back to normal.
Thanks bigmck
That's exactly what I'm doing. I keep all my personal data on a separate drive so restore takes about 5 minutes tops.

Unfortunately if it's downloaded it's going to cost me some bucks.

I pretty much monitor all aspects of my system so I think I will notice the download. I will just have to make sure to disconnect the system from the Internet if I'm not sitting in front of the computer.
I think that's a bit much. Look, the updates that do all the Win10 update stuff are well known and publicized all over the place. There are batch files you can use to remove them. Then you hide them. Then you vet future updates by checking out the details before downloading/installing them. Of course it shouldn't be necessary, but it's not that hard to do.

sgage,

Thanks for the reply.

I knew people would think that my practices would be as you put it "A bit much." I watch the updates and research them along with other measures as I have previously mentioned. Unfortunately the well known W10 stuff wasn't well known at some point and it took a lot of people by surprise, still is.

I can't help but feel that the path MS is taking and will take in the future is not in my best interest. MS is desperate to get people on to W10 by means I increasingly find objectionable. It's obvious that it isn't a profit from the OS that is driving them. Their profits are going to come some other way that they have left to guess work by their customers.

None of us really know what MS is going to do next, or how far they will go, especially if they feel they are not meeting their prescribed goals. I have lost all trust in MS, once trust is lost it almost never can be restored.

Being as prepared and watchful as I can is my only defense from something I don't want and increasing costs that I can't afford.


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01 Jan 2016   #52
bigmck

Windows 7 Home Premium 32-Bit - Build 7600 SP1
 
 

SCR -- Since you are on a usage rate plan for your internet, I was just curious what area of the country you are in? If you wouldn't mind, what is the charge for the minimum usage amount? I wasn't aware there were and rate plans like that still in existence.
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01 Jan 2016   #53
sgage

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
 
 

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Thanks bigmck
That's exactly what I'm doing. I keep all my personal data on a separate drive so restore takes about 5 minutes tops.

Unfortunately if it's downloaded it's going to cost me some bucks.

I pretty much monitor all aspects of my system so I think I will notice the download. I will just have to make sure to disconnect the system from the Internet if I'm not sitting in front of the computer.
I think that's a bit much. Look, the updates that do all the Win10 update stuff are well known and publicized all over the place. There are batch files you can use to remove them. Then you hide them. Then you vet future updates by checking out the details before downloading/installing them. Of course it shouldn't be necessary, but it's not that hard to do.

sgage,

Thanks for the reply.

I knew people would think that my practices would be as you put it "A bit much." I watch the updates and research them along with other measures as I have previously mentioned. Unfortunately the well known W10 stuff wasn't well known at some point and it took a lot of people by surprise, still is.

I can't help but feel that the path MS is taking and will take in the future is not in my best interest. MS is desperate to get people on to W10 by means I increasingly find objectionable. It's obvious that it isn't a profit from the OS that is driving them. Their profits are going to come some other way that they have left to guess work by their customers.

None of us really know what MS is going to do next, or how far they will go, especially if they feel they are not meeting their prescribed goals. I have lost all trust in MS, once trust is lost it almost never can be restored.

Being as prepared and watchful as I can is my only defense from something I don't want and increasing costs that I can't afford.
When you are presented with a new update, right-click on it and select 'view details' or whatever the language is - you will get enough info to decide whether it's safe or not. If you're not sure, wait a day and search on the Internet - it doesn't take long at all for word to get out.

I totally agree that being prepared and watchful is the only way to go! It's just that there are going to be some updates you really ought to install. If you have the Update program set to ask you before downloading and updating, nothing is going to happen when you're not at your computer.

In any case, MS didn't lose my trust - they never had it!
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01 Jan 2016   #54
scr

1. Windows 7 Home Premium sp1 - 64bit 2. Windows 7 Pro sp1 - 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by bigmck View Post
SCR -- Since you are on a usage rate plan for your internet, I was just curious what area of the country you are in? If you wouldn't mind, what is the charge for the minimum usage amount? I wasn't aware there were and rate plans like that still in existence.
No I don't mind.

I am all over the USA, currently in Georgia. I live in my RV all the time and for the last 19 years have traveled extensively throughout the contiguous 48 states. I use a Verizon 3g cell modem and the rate is $60.00 US + taxes and other charges, that defy description, per month for up to 5 GB up/down. Anything over that cap is at $0.45 US per MB. If I were to use 6 GB in one month I would have to pay $0.45 US per MB x 1000 MB. A unexpected 3 to 4 GB windows download would be very costly. If I planned to do W10 it would severely limit any data use for the month. With two computers it just isn't feasible to use W10 even if I wanted to.

Verizon offers other plans but I would have to sign a two year contract and replace all my cellular equipment (modem, booster amplifier, router, phone and antenna - about a $500.00 to $600.00 investment) to participate. I don't want another contract.

If my memory is working properly, always questionable, it was like $80.00 US for 10 GB of data. However, my cell phone charges would have increased about $45.00 US a month due to a required change in my calling plan to get the additional data. In the end making the extra 5 GB of data cost about $70.00 US + taxes and whatever a month. The new total monthly charge ended up at about $170.00 a month versus the $93.00 a month I'm currently paying. It was a budget buster.

I suppose that I could find a cheaper method but that would require the use of WiFi For obvious reasons I do all my financial transactions and most of my correspondance on line. From what I understand WiFi is not the safest method to accomplish this.

While other carriers offer different plan prices their coverage is seriously lacking. I usually end up in some pretty remote places, not the end of the earth but I have been darn close. While Verizon says that my current location is good the reality is that it isn't that great, not unusual, and I'm getting .45mbps to 1mbps down if the wind is blowing the correct way.
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01 Jan 2016   #55
scr

1. Windows 7 Home Premium sp1 - 64bit 2. Windows 7 Pro sp1 - 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sgage View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by scr View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sgage View Post

I think that's a bit much. Look, the updates that do all the Win10 update stuff are well known and publicized all over the place. There are batch files you can use to remove them. Then you hide them. Then you vet future updates by checking out the details before downloading/installing them. Of course it shouldn't be necessary, but it's not that hard to do.

sgage,

Thanks for the reply.

I knew people would think that my practices would be as you put it "A bit much." I watch the updates and research them along with other measures as I have previously mentioned. Unfortunately the well known W10 stuff wasn't well known at some point and it took a lot of people by surprise, still is.

I can't help but feel that the path MS is taking and will take in the future is not in my best interest. MS is desperate to get people on to W10 by means I increasingly find objectionable. It's obvious that it isn't a profit from the OS that is driving them. Their profits are going to come some other way that they have left to guess work by their customers.

None of us really know what MS is going to do next, or how far they will go, especially if they feel they are not meeting their prescribed goals. I have lost all trust in MS, once trust is lost it almost never can be restored.

Being as prepared and watchful as I can is my only defense from something I don't want and increasing costs that I can't afford.
When you are presented with a new update, right-click on it and select 'view details' or whatever the language is - you will get enough info to decide whether it's safe or not. If you're not sure, wait a day and search on the Internet - it doesn't take long at all for word to get out.

I totally agree that being prepared and watchful is the only way to go! It's just that there are going to be some updates you really ought to install. If you have the Update program set to ask you before downloading and updating, nothing is going to happen when you're not at your computer.

In any case, MS didn't lose my trust - they never had it!
That is exactly what I do now. However I wait about two weeks unless it's something critical. Before the update I do a system image.

"Never had it" Exactly!
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01 Jan 2016   #56
groze

W7 32 bit, Linux Mint Xfce 18 64 bit
 
 

I was beginning to use windows 10 more & more. After studying the privacy concerns, it is not really as bad as people think. I even like a couple of apps. That not the reason I stopped using windows 10 for the moment it is because of this post on windows 10 forum.

Windows 10 killed my dell xps 2710 - Windows 10 Forums

See, I also have an all-in-one Dell different model but if there is a slight chance windows 10 or a driver killed the motherboard. I don't want to take that chance no matter how slim it is. My computer is out of warranty now.
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01 Jan 2016   #57
bigmck

Windows 7 Home Premium 32-Bit - Build 7600 SP1
 
 

Thanks SCR for the post. I can understand why you have things set up the way you do. I had never considered the problems of mobile internet before.
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01 Jan 2016   #58
thelma

windows 7 professional 64 bit
 
 

Well Groze, hi , I spend a half hour on windows 10 forum I followed that thread from start to well .... now ), then did see all the other "Windows 10 killed..... " underneath this thread.

I already knew, that I never would, could, wanted windows 10 on this old Dell laptop, but those updates that you cannot refuse are really closing the door for me in the future, NEVER EVER WINDOWS 10 for Thelma.
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01 Jan 2016   #59
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by scr View Post
...Yeah, getting older has a tendency to open your eyes to things that you didn't notice as much before. For example, I've noticed that the older I get the further away the ground gets and gravity exerts more force then it did when I was younger when you attempt to return upright from a position close to the ground.
Oh man! You just said a mouthful, friend! The old "I've fallen and I can't get up" commercials are too close to reality to be funny anymore.
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01 Jan 2016   #60
ThrashZone

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by groze View Post
I stopped using windows 10 for the moment it is because of this post on windows 10 forum.

Windows 10 killed my dell xps 2710 - Windows 10 Forums

See, I also have an all-in-one Dell different model but if there is a slight chance windows 10 or a driver killed the motherboard. I don't want to take that chance no matter how slim it is. My computer is out of warranty now.
Well being I had one old hdd get put to sleep by win-10tp I chalked it up to just the old hdd

I would guess the issue is similar
Removing and replacing a hdd might work to remove any win-10 fast start features connected to the drive
If still an issue possibly removing and reinstalling the cpu can often reset the mobo's bios to default or offer a F2 to enter bios setup

It would be hard to believe 10 toasted the bios imho more likely toasted or put to sleep the hdd is most likely = been there
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