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Windows 7: Logon password will expire in 5 days

08 Jan 2016   #11
Brink

64-bit Windows 10 Pro
 
 

I'm glad to hear that it only found a PUP.


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09 Jan 2016   #12
Callender

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Clairvaux View Post
That's reassuring.

Speaking of utilities... I also installed yesterday, or the day before, a strange beast named PC Hunter on the advice of a frequent contributor here, in order to do some troubleshooting... it comes with all sorts of warnings attached, and seems to be Chinese... I only copied some files with it for testing purposes... but...

Could this password-mangling thing be malware-induced ? Get a warning that you might be locked out of your PC... remove passwords or change them... get all your mail accounts passwords wiped out... be forced to re-register them... anything fishy there ?
RE: PC Hunter. You only used it to copy a folder or some files right?

RE: GeekUnistaller. You used it to uninstall Teracopy and scan for leftovers right?

If that's the case there's nothing to worry about. Neither of those softwares will mess with passwords and both are malware free. Regarding PC Hunter - if you mess about with the advanced stuff it will screw up your system if not used correctly!

Just to set your mind at rest here's scan results for both programs.
Logon password will expire in 5 days-file-checks.jpg
They are both portable programs and you can simply delete the containing folder of each program to remove them!


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09 Jan 2016   #13
Clairvaux

Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (OEM)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Callender View Post

RE: PC Hunter. You only used it to copy a folder or some files right?

RE: GeekUnistaller. You used it to uninstall Teracopy and scan for leftovers right?

If that's the case there's nothing to worry about. Neither of those softwares will mess with passwords and both are malware free. Regarding PC Hunter - if you mess about with the advanced stuff it will screw up your system if not used correctly!
Thanks for the reassuring words, Callender. It's not malware carried by those programs I was concerned about.

PC Hunter : I only used it to browse my files and copy them, as you instructed me. I'll probably delete it, as I don't understand what it does, except there are big DANGER signs all over it.

Geek Uninstaller : that's the one I'm more wary about. Yes, I used it to uninstall something, I don't remember what, and then it also uninstalled something else, at the same time, without asking, I think 7-Zip. Never seen anything like that ! I also did not like the way it forces you into closed choices regarding cleaning beyond what the regular uninstaller does, unlike Revo, which offers plenty of granularity, information and options.

I've seen all the (purported) testimonials on their site saying how much better than Revo it is (and Revo certainly has its own clunkiness and irritating discrepancies), but that first experience has certainly been off-putting. What is your experience of it ?

(I'm also wary of using a lesser-known uninstaller. Those beasts are registry cleaners, and registry cleaners can be dangerous. And who came out with that name, Geek Uninstaller ? That's not reassuring in the least. I use a search tool named File Locator Lite, it's the "professional" free version, and the only difference with the free version intended for home use is that the latter is known as Agent Ransack. At least they were sharp enough to understand that no business user in his right mind would let a piece of software called Agent Ransack within his premises ! I myself downloaded the "professional" version, just so I did not have that ridiculous name staring at me from my own computer !)
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09 Jan 2016   #14
Callender

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Revo Uninstaller is better. Stick with that if you have it installed. I mistakenly must have thought that you typically uninstalled software via add/ remove programs. One point to bear in mind. The Pro version of Revo Uninstaller is the only version that supports removal of programs on 64bit machines but free Geek Uninstaller works okay on 64bit machines.

Not sure what you mean by Geek removed 7zip (without asking) - no way should that happen.

Anyway just out of curiosity I just used Geek Uninstaller to remove AirFox (rarely used browser)
Logon password will expire in 5 days-geek-uninstaller-1.jpg
I let it scan for leftovers. I do get the option on leftover folder/ file and registry entries to keep or remove.
Logon password will expire in 5 days-geek-uninstaller-2.jpg
Also I would say that when uninstalling software it's best to disable any security software that could block removal of files.

For me that means disabling a few programs including one for real time registry protection and a few others like this:
Logon password will expire in 5 days-turn-voodooshield-off_.jpg
Agent Ransack - yes it is a daft name!


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09 Jan 2016   #15
Clairvaux

Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (OEM)
 
 

Thanks for the screen grabs, Callender. Very helpful. That's precisely what I didn't get. I didn't get screen n2 with the registry view.

Instead, I got two or three small dialog boxes saying (from memory) : file x remains, it's a shared file, do you want to delete it ? One of them I deleted by hand, through Windows Explorer, after double-checking, because it seemed exclusive to the uninstalled software, the other I left alone.

And yes, Geek Uninstaller uninstalled my 7-Zip on top of the program I had actually asked to be removed. It's not there anymore. Unfortunately, I cannot remember the exact sequence of events and displayed messages.

I use Revo Uninstaller Pro (version 2.5.9, one step apart from the latest generation). Its registry view seems safer and more helpful that what you have shown here (although I'm a registry ignoramus).

I used to always chose the Advanced registry hunting mode (the most agressive), and systematically delete anything with an obvious mention of the software being uninstalled. Any thoughts ?

Since Kari expressed reservations here on uninstallers because of their registry hacking, I'm not so sure anymore.

I bought the Pro version of Revo because of its recording mode (you can chose to monitor installation, and Revo is supposed to revert the steps when uninstalling ; this is supposed to be more fool-proof).

I'm not sure it works as advertised. It does not make a restore point when uninstalling a monitored installation (contrary to regular uninstall), trusting its records instead. It would often find files "possibly related to the program being uninstalled, that were not recorded by the monitoring process". After checking, it would be obvious that those files and folders did belong to the program. But why were they not recorded by the monitoring mode ?

Also, it's precisely some of the most difficult to uninstall programs that seemed less suited to monitoring. I couldn't uninstall Avast this way. The only way to unroot it was to use Avast's own special uninstaller.
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10 Jan 2016   #16
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

I do things these days a little different removing things.

*First I remove the program using Ccleaner.

*Then I check Windows Search for left overs. Windows Search never finds anything, of course.

*Then I use the little program Everything Search. Great little program.

*Then to finish things off i do a (regedit) search.
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10 Jan 2016   #17
Callender

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Clairvaux View Post
And yes, Geek Uninstaller uninstalled my 7-Zip on top of the program I had actually asked to be removed. It's not there anymore. Unfortunately, I cannot remember the exact sequence of events and displayed messages.
As far as I know 7-Zip was updated very recently so installing the latest version shouldn't be a problem.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Clairvaux View Post
I use Revo Uninstaller Pro (version 2.5.9, one step apart from the latest generation). Its registry view seems safer and more helpful that what you have shown here (although I'm a registry ignoramus).

I used to always chose the Advanced registry hunting mode (the most agressive), and systematically delete anything with an obvious mention of the software being uninstalled. Any thoughts ?
I haven't used Revo for a long time but from memory it highlighted entries relating to the removed software in bold and I selected those for deletion.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Clairvaux View Post
I bought the Pro version of Revo because of its recording mode (you can chose to monitor installation, and Revo is supposed to revert the steps when uninstalling ; this is supposed to be more fool-proof).

I'm not sure it works as advertised. It does not make a restore point when uninstalling a monitored installation (contrary to regular uninstall), trusting its records instead. It would often find files "possibly related to the program being uninstalled, that were not recorded by the monitoring process". After checking, it would be obvious that those files and folders did belong to the program. But why were they not recorded by the monitoring mode ?
I'm not sure about monitored installations not being recorded. The only software that I've ever used that monitored installations correctly was Comodo Programs Manager. (discontinued)

RE: Software removal. It seems we all have our own methods. Mine is to make regular system image backups (at least one per week) and not worry too much if something goes wrong when installing/ removing software.

My usual removal method would be:

Check for running processes, services and drivers belonging to the software that I wish to remove. If found stop and delete (process, service or driver) - then uninstall the software using Geek or similar program.

Reboot - check for leftovers via a file search utility and manually check registry for leftovers using a registry search utility.

Take Airfox for example. I removed it yesterday but there was one empty folder left in Program Files and some registry entries mostly relating to Shell Bags and others relating to Firewall Policy/ Rules. I deleted those but in theory it shouldn't hurt to leave them alone.
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10 Jan 2016   #18
Clairvaux

Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (OEM)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
I do things these days a little different removing things.

*First I remove the program using Ccleaner.

*Then I check Windows Search for left overs. Windows Search never finds anything, of course.

*Then I use the little program Everything Search. Great little program.

*Then to finish things off i do a (regedit) search.
Very interesting. So you're doing it all by hand.

Thanks for letting me realise, by the way, that C-Cleaner could uninstall software. I'm well aware of its window where it shows installed software, and I frequently use it because it's better than Windows. But it hadn't struck me that you could as well uninstall programs from there.

What do you search for ? Only the program name ? Including in the registry ?

Would all items bearing the program name in the registry be related to that program's installation, and therefore be eligible for deletion ? Would it be possible that some other software, which should not be deleted, refer in the registry, by name, to the program currently being uninstalled ?

Conversely, couldn't there be some registry items, recorded at installation, that would not bear the program name at all, but just an undecipherable string of letters or numbers ?
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10 Jan 2016   #19
Clairvaux

Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (OEM)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Callender View Post
I haven't used Revo for a long time but from memory it highlighted entries relating to the removed software in bold and I selected those for deletion.
Exactly. That's why Revo feels so safe to use. I also used to tick happily away at bolded items for deletion, except in the rare cases where they would be bolded, but without any mention of the program's name or publisher in sight, so you'd have to trust Revo blindingly. In such cases, I used to leave them alone.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Callender View Post
My usual removal method would be:

Check for running processes, services and drivers belonging to the software that I wish to remove. If found stop and delete (process, service or driver) - then uninstall the software using Geek or similar program.

Reboot - check for leftovers via a file search utility and manually check registry for leftovers using a registry search utility.
That sounds incredibly thorough, but also exacting. How do you trace drivers ? Not through Task Manager ?
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10 Jan 2016   #20
Brds7t7

Windows 7 Pro 64-Bit, Windows 7 Ultimate 64-Bit, Windows 8.1 Pro 64-Bit
 
 

I use the same method as Layback Bear. I uninstall via Windows control panel. Then after a reboot I search for any related files/folders and remove, then do a manual search through the registry just to clean any left-over entries. To look for any redundant drivers I use the drivers section of Autoruns from Microsoft.

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-gb/.../bb963902.aspx
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