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Windows 7: Are you serious right now?(Windows 10 forced)

14 Mar 2016   #91
Brink

64-bit Windows 10 Pro
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by woodyleonhard View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Brink View Post
I don't see that in your article. I see it checked as an "Optional" update.

Option updates do not get automatically installed by Windows. Instead, only when the user manually installs it.
That's correct. It appears, in bold, checked, in the Optional category.

Windows Update installs checked items, whether they're Optional or Important, whether the user checked them or not. Trust me on this. Better, test it if you have a Win7 machine handy.
Yep, Windows will install checked "Optional" items only when the user manually installs them.

I've already tested this on several W7 and W8 VMs that are 100% fully updated. Not a one installs "Optional" updates automatically.


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14 Mar 2016   #92
woodyleonhard

Many OSs on multiple platforms
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
One thing I've noticed is that people who do not like Win 10 for whatever reason only attack Win 10 and MS for the way they are distributing Win 10 and are not attacking people for liking Win 10. However, it's people who like Win 10 who have been attacking people who don't like Win 10 by insulting them, using cracks like tin foil hats, etc.

Frankly, I don't give the north end of a south bound furry little rodent whether someone likes Win 10 or not. There are perfectly good reasons for both sides of the argument but resorting to personal attacks against forum members, using cheap shots, insults, pranks, etc. is childish, nonproductive and tiresome.
... and note that I not only use Windows 10, and have every day for a year, all of my production machines run Windows 10, and I wrote a 1,000-page book about Windows 10, using Windows 10.

It's a great operating system, if you don't mind the snooping and the lack of control over updates.

This Windows 7 forced upgrade stuff is way over the top.
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14 Mar 2016   #93
woodyleonhard

Many OSs on multiple platforms
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Brink View Post
Yep, Windows will install checked "Optional" items only when the user manually installs them.

I've already tested this on several W7 and W8 VMs that are 100% fully updated. Not a one installs "Optional" updates automatically.
Not so. Windows Update will install any checked update - whether the user checked it, or Microsoft checked it.
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14 Mar 2016   #94
Brink

64-bit Windows 10 Pro
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by woodyleonhard View Post
This Windows 7 forced upgrade stuff is way over the top.
Claiming it's forced on you is way over the top. Especially when you have proof posted here showing otherwise.

I welcome any 100% undeniable proof showing it forced on you, and not from user error.
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14 Mar 2016   #95
Callender

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by woodyleonhard View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Brink View Post
If you look at my screenshots above, the upgrade to Windows 10 is an optional update. Optional updates do not get automatically installed by Windows, but only installed by the user that left it checked when they manually checked for and installed updates themselves.
If you look at my screenshot, at least on this particular test machine, "Upgrade to Windows 10 Pro, Version 1511, 10586" appears as a checked, Optional, update. The check signifies that it will be installed the next time Auto Update runs.

More to the point, if I UNcheck "Upgrade to Windows 10 Pro, Version 1511, 10586" and run any piece of Windows Update, the item gets checked again.

Read the article. It's chilling. (In my universe, anyway.)
RE: Your article.

Quote:
It's a clean machine, with all the defaults. Windows Automatic Update, for example, is set to Install Updates Automatically (Recommended). Recommended updates is set to "Give me recommended updates the same way I receive important updates."
I could be wrong but that surely that setting makes optional updates become important updates and thus will be checked and downloaded.

If the user has the following settings then nothing optional is downloaded without the user's say so.
Are you serious right now?(Windows 10 forced)-change-settings.jpg
See posts #3 & #4 here:

KB3035583 Reappeared After Being Hidden


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14 Mar 2016   #96
woodyleonhard

Many OSs on multiple platforms
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Callender View Post

I could be wrong but that surely that setting makes optional updates become important updates and thus will be checked and downloaded.

If the user has the following settings then nothing optional is downloaded without the user's say so.
Attachment 383469
See posts #3 & #4 here:

KB3035583 Reappeared After Being Hidden
I thought so, too, so I unchecked "Give me recommended updates the same way I receive important updates" and ran Windows Update again. As described in the article, WU checked the box again.

Microsoft changed the behavior of Windows Update over the weekend. I've been documenting Windows Update, in print, for more than a decade. I know it well - and it's changed.

This is the first "Recommended, Optional" patch I can recall. It works differently.
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14 Mar 2016   #97
groze

W7 32 bit, Linux Mint Xfce 18 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Callender View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by woodyleonhard View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Brink View Post
If you look at my screenshots above, the upgrade to Windows 10 is an optional update. Optional updates do not get automatically installed by Windows, but only installed by the user that left it checked when they manually checked for and installed updates themselves.
If you look at my screenshot, at least on this particular test machine, "Upgrade to Windows 10 Pro, Version 1511, 10586" appears as a checked, Optional, update. The check signifies that it will be installed the next time Auto Update runs.

More to the point, if I UNcheck "Upgrade to Windows 10 Pro, Version 1511, 10586" and run any piece of Windows Update, the item gets checked again.

Read the article. It's chilling. (In my universe, anyway.)
RE: Your article.

Quote:
It's a clean machine, with all the defaults. Windows Automatic Update, for example, is set to Install Updates Automatically (Recommended). Recommended updates is set to "Give me recommended updates the same way I receive important updates."
I could be wrong but that surely that setting makes optional updates become important updates and thus will be checked and downloaded.

If the user has the following settings then nothing optional is downloaded without the user's say so.
Attachment 383469
See posts #3 & #4 here:

KB3035583 Reappeared After Being Hidden

That even caught me off guard. I think it needs to be worded differently.

I like windows 10 but I also like windows 7 and I also like Linux as well. I am an oddball.
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14 Mar 2016   #98
SGT Oddball

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by groze View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Callender View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by woodyleonhard View Post

If you look at my screenshot, at least on this particular test machine, "Upgrade to Windows 10 Pro, Version 1511, 10586" appears as a checked, Optional, update. The check signifies that it will be installed the next time Auto Update runs.

More to the point, if I UNcheck "Upgrade to Windows 10 Pro, Version 1511, 10586" and run any piece of Windows Update, the item gets checked again.

Read the article. It's chilling. (In my universe, anyway.)
RE: Your article.

Quote:
It's a clean machine, with all the defaults. Windows Automatic Update, for example, is set to Install Updates Automatically (Recommended). Recommended updates is set to "Give me recommended updates the same way I receive important updates."
I could be wrong but that surely that setting makes optional updates become important updates and thus will be checked and downloaded.

If the user has the following settings then nothing optional is downloaded without the user's say so.
Attachment 383469
See posts #3 & #4 here:

KB3035583 Reappeared After Being Hidden

That even caught me off guard. I think it needs to be worded differently.

I like windows 10 but I also like windows 7 and I also like Linux as well. I am an oddball.
I'm an Oddball, but if that caught you out you're a dumb ass
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14 Mar 2016   #99
woodyleonhard

Many OSs on multiple platforms
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Brink View Post
I welcome any 100% undeniable proof showing it forced on you, and not from user error.
Do you have a clean Win7 machine handy? Go into WU's "Select updates to install" and uncheck "Upgrade to Windows10 Pro, version 1511,10586." Click OK.

Now click "Check for updates" on the left.

WU will tell you to "Upgrade to Windows 10"

Now, click on the link marked "Show all available updates." See how "Upgrade to Windows10 Pro, version 1511,10586" is checked?
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14 Mar 2016   #100
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

I do agree Lady that many people don't watch what is going on with their system and let things happen or choose them to happen not knowing what they are doing. Yes, Microsoft just loves those kinds of customers.

Any information about computing is only a few ticks away on the internet if one wants to learn.
Those people don't seem to have a problem finding and using FaceBook, Tweeter ect.

All we can do is give guidance to those that want to learn. If those people just want to poke and go that was their choice.

We can't make people learn and gain knowledge. That is something they will have to choose.
Kind of like buying a new car. One is given a owners manual but no body can make them read it.

I learn new things most every day; only because I choose to.
I PM a member just today to ask some questions on Clean Install. He does more Clean Installs in one week than I do in a year. I wanted to learn and the answers I receive did help me with my questions.
I'm acting on what I learned as we speak.

Why anybody would think they can buy one of the most technical pieces of equipment known to mankind and think their is nothing to learn to operate it properly is be on me.
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