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Windows 7: Are you serious right now?(Windows 10 forced)

14 Mar 2016   #101
Brink

64-bit Windows 10 Pro
 
 

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I welcome any 100% undeniable proof showing it forced on you, and not from user error.
Do you have a clean Win7 machine handy? Go into WU's "Select updates to install" and uncheck "Upgrade to Windows10 Pro, version 1511,10586." Click OK.

Now click "Check for updates" on the left.

WU will tell you to "Upgrade to Windows 10"

Now, click on the link marked "Show all available updates." See how "Upgrade to Windows10 Pro, version 1511,10586" is checked?
That still only shows that you just need to uncheck the "Optional" "Upgrade to Windows 10" update before installing the others.

I don't see how that's forced on you. I again refer you to the screenshots here.


If you don't want to see the "Optional" "Upgrade to Windows 10" update anymore to have to uncheck it each time, then you can use this below to disable and remove it.

Upgrade to Windows 10 Update - Enable or Disable in Windows 7 or 8.1 - Windows 10 Forums


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14 Mar 2016   #102
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

@ woodyleonhard

After you change the settings to your Windows 7 Updates, reboot and see if the changes stay as you want them.
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14 Mar 2016   #103
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

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I do agree Lady that many people don't watch what is going on with their system and let things happen or choose them to happen not knowing what they are doing. Yes, Microsoft just loves those kinds of customers.

Any information about computing is only a few ticks away on the internet if one wants to learn.
Those people don't seem to have a problem finding and using FaceBook, Tweeter ect.

All we can do is give guidance to those that want to learn. If those people just want to poke and go that was their choice.

We can't make people learn and gain knowledge. That is something they will have to choose.
Kind of like buying a new car. One is given a owners manual but no body can make them read it.

I learn new things most every day; only because I choose to.
I PM a member just today to ask some questions on Clean Install. He does more Clean Installs in one week than I do in a year. I wanted to learn and the answers I receive did help me with my questions.
I'm acting on what I learned as we speak.

Why anybody would think they can buy one of the most technical pieces of equipment known to mankind and think their is nothing to learn to operate it properly is be on me.
I agree; some people don't want to learn, are afraid to learn, or simply can't learn but that doesn't give anyone, including MS, the right to take advantage of them.

Many people buy and/or operate computers because they have to in order to keep up in the modern day world. Automobiles require only a basic amount of knowledge to operate but quite a bit of skill to repair and maintain, yet people still buy them.
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14 Mar 2016   #104
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Brink View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by woodyleonhard View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Brink View Post
I welcome any 100% undeniable proof showing it forced on you, and not from user error.
Do you have a clean Win7 machine handy? Go into WU's "Select updates to install" and uncheck "Upgrade to Windows10 Pro, version 1511,10586." Click OK.

Now click "Check for updates" on the left.

WU will tell you to "Upgrade to Windows 10"

Now, click on the link marked "Show all available updates." See how "Upgrade to Windows10 Pro, version 1511,10586" is checked?
That still only shows that you just need to uncheck the "Optional" "Upgrade to Windows 10" update before installing the others.

I don't see how that's forced on you. I again refer you to the screenshots here.


If you don't want to see the "Optional" "Upgrade to Windows 10" update anymore to have to uncheck it each time, then you can use this below to disable and remove it.

Upgrade to Windows 10 Update - Enable or Disable in Windows 7 or 8.1 - Windows 10 Forums
And how are the average computer users of the world—the Ma and Pa kettles or Mr. and Mrs. Joe Sixpack; in other words, the vast majority of computer users—supposed to know all that?
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14 Mar 2016   #105
Brink

64-bit Windows 10 Pro
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by woodyleonhard View Post

Do you have a clean Win7 machine handy? Go into WU's "Select updates to install" and uncheck "Upgrade to Windows10 Pro, version 1511,10586." Click OK.

Now click "Check for updates" on the left.

WU will tell you to "Upgrade to Windows 10"

Now, click on the link marked "Show all available updates." See how "Upgrade to Windows10 Pro, version 1511,10586" is checked?
That still only shows that you just need to uncheck the "Optional" "Upgrade to Windows 10" update before installing the others.

I don't see how that's forced on you. I again refer you to the screenshots here.


If you don't want to see the "Optional" "Upgrade to Windows 10" update anymore to have to uncheck it each time, then you can use this below to disable and remove it.

Upgrade to Windows 10 Update - Enable or Disable in Windows 7 or 8.1 - Windows 10 Forums
And how are the average computer users of the world—the Ma and Pa kettles or Mr. and Mrs. Joe Sixpack; in other words, the vast majority of computer users—supposed to know all that?
I agree that it would be better to have it unchecked by default.

However, reading what it says would be a good start to know what your doing before doing it. It'll then just be a matter of unchecking what you don't want to install.

This would of course only be an issue if they manually checked for and installed updates though since Windows does not automatically install "optional" updates.
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14 Mar 2016   #106
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Ad LF, That is a problem. There is a big void with the average user as far as system knowledge is concerned. If everything works well, they can get by. But as soon as there is an irregularity, these poor souls are lost. I guess that's where we come in. If it were all smooth sailing, we would be out of a job, LOL.
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14 Mar 2016   #107
woodyleonhard

Many OSs on multiple platforms
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Brink View Post
If you don't want to see the "Optional" "Upgrade to Windows 10" update anymore to have to uncheck it each time, then you can use this below to disable and remove it.

Upgrade to Windows 10 Update - Enable or Disable in Windows 7 or 8.1 - Windows 10 Forums
Yes, I know about the KB 3080351 blocks. Josh Mayfield and I corrected Microsoft's documentation about it two months ago. You got the right registry entry, DisableOSUpgrade. Microsoft originally documented an entry, AllowOSUpgrade, that doesn't work.

The point is that, on Friday night, Microsoft performed an update overnight and installed Win10 on this machine, even though I had unchecked the entry, and didn't run anything.

That behavior changed on Saturday night, as documented in my reports.
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14 Mar 2016   #108
woodyleonhard

Many OSs on multiple platforms
 
 

Brink, I just noticed that you're an MVP. Have you been following the discussion on the MVP Yammer thread?
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14 Mar 2016   #109
z3r010

 

I'm pretty sure he's a spammer here just to promote his articles - I can fix that
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14 Mar 2016   #110
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by woodyleonhard View Post
Brink, I just noticed that you're an MVP. Have you been following the discussion on the MVP Yammer thread?
Can you link that thread. I would be interested what it says.
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