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Windows 7: Ownership of foreign files - XP vs 7P access issues

19 Apr 2016   #11
Pyprohly

Windows 10, Windows 8.1 Pro, Windows 7 Professional, OS X El Capitan
 
 

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Had I instead first added the BUILTIN entities under XP, and then initiated a copy FROM 7P, would I have achieved the exact results?
Yes. As I’ve mentioned, copying a file doesn’t copy the permissions with it. This means if you randomly copy any two files from two distinct locations to the same location, the copies will have identical permissions, regardless of what the original files’ permissions where.

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Since these files were initially 'copied' to XP (downloaded or transfered from media), using the same acct, are sitting in the same location, and were never post edited, why do they not have the same access properties?
My answer to the ‘why’ version of this question is no different to the ‘how’. I don’t know, and I don’t have an answer to this.

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WRT modifying access permissions, is a cut & paste different from a copy & paste, or move operation?
If you move a file to a new location, if any, the explicit permissions assigned to the object will follow it to its new location, unlike a copy operation which does not. In this instance, cutting and pasting is similar to a move operation.

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If this is all basic stuff, is there a summary tutorial or set of exercises I could read?
By no means would I consider the topic of NTFS permissions basic, especially when the reality is that many users, even seasoned gurus, do not know how to use the feature, with many favouring tools such as as a substitute for learning all there is to know about Windows’ distinctly involved permissions system. Although in saying that, I should be careful about exaggerating it's difficulty. NTFS permissions is not too difficult of a concept to grasp, and it shouldn't be. But far too many people often like to get the facts wrong, sparing correctness for simplicity, reusing the misleading jingle—“you need to take ownership of that/those file(s) to access them”—which only demonstrates their misunderstanding of how access control is enforced under Windows, and thereafter misleading people to believe that the reason for their access issues is solely based upon ownership.
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After reading similar posts, this seems to be a common ownership problem that causes much frustration.
If you wish to learn to properly deal with access denied issues under Windows, erase everything you know about permissions, ownership, etc., and start here. Even better than reading, explore the consequences of certain permission configurations by testing out some different situations on your own, and you will very quickly appreciate the security model Microsoft has chosen for their industry-dominating operating systems.


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19 Apr 2016   #12
townsbg

Windows 7 pro 64-bit
 
 

I wouldn't worry about ownership of a file on either system and in fact I would leave that be. Just because your user is the same name on each system doesn't mean that you will be the owner on the other system, if you change it. The inverse is true actually since all user accounts have a unique identifier which likely differs on each system. As a result if you where to change ownership of a file on one system the other system will report that the owner is unknown hence my recommendation not to change it. Now a way around that would be to change your identifier on one system to match the other however that will break your profile unless you change every registry entry and every system file that references it. The best thing that you can do would be to grant your account access to the files/folders in question on both systems. Now if it where me I would create another partition and store the files on that partition granting yourself access within each system. An alternative would be to have that partition be fat32. That would bypass the permissions issue since fat32 doesn't use ntfs permissions.
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