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Windows 7: I really could cry! Random shutdowns of clean install W7 Ultimate SP1

17 Sep 2016   #11
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

Take a good read through this tutorial by Jonathan King.

RAM - Test with Memtest86+

I'm back to watching.


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18 Sep 2016   #12
Rhothgar

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Mellon Head View Post
Looking at this thread, I'm starting to suspect bad or flaky hardware.

Rothgar, have you opened the computer and had a look at the power connections recently? Are they all snug and tight? Perhaps one is loose and causing your crashes with resulting ill effects on your installation.

Or your PSU or motherboard might be on the verge of going south on you. Another possibility is that the processor is getting too hot and crashing or rebooting the system to automatically get the temp down.

These are just some of the things that need to be considered, IMHO.
I've copied and pasted the thread title you suggested but nothing comes up with that title.

Would you mind copy and pasting the link to the thread you are referring to please?
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18 Sep 2016   #13
Rhothgar

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
Take a good read through this tutorial by Jonathan King.

RAM - Test with Memtest86+

I'm back to watching.
Thanks. I'll try that.

It's getting bad now. I started thumping the keyboard very hard in the hope of smashing it.
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18 Sep 2016   #14
Mellon Head

Win 7 Pro x64/Win 10 Pro x64 dual boot
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Rhothgar View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Mellon Head View Post
Looking at this thread, I'm starting to suspect bad or flaky hardware.

Rothgar, have you opened the computer and had a look at the power connections recently? Are they all snug and tight? Perhaps one is loose and causing your crashes with resulting ill effects on your installation.

Or your PSU or motherboard might be on the verge of going south on you. Another possibility is that the processor is getting too hot and crashing or rebooting the system to automatically get the temp down.

These are just some of the things that need to be considered, IMHO.
I've copied and pasted the thread title you suggested but nothing comes up with that title.

Would you mind copy and pasting the link to the thread you are referring to please?
I'm looking at this thread, actually. Your thread and what you describe here. The thread we're talking in right now is the thread I'm talking about.
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18 Sep 2016   #15
Rhothgar

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

Sorry. My fault. I thought you'd said, "Look at this thread" so I searched for term after!

My misunderstanding.

I stripped the PSU down and looked for bad capacitors. None. Also, HP system has LED troubleshooting codes and it does not display any signs of issues. Issues shuts itself down and reports overheating via LED codes. Again, none are displayed.

I cannot find any suggested BIOS settings on HP website. I don't know if I should be running IDE, AHCI or RAID.

One thread I read probably on here was that if you set Sata Emulation type then install OS and change Sata Emulation that that can cause issues.
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19 Sep 2016   #16
Rhothgar

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post
Hi and welcome to SevenForums,
It has been a common problem so don't cry

It's a lot easier to clean install these days with the unofficial sp2
There are essentially 3 updates needed for a clean install of windows that will get you updated through April of 2016

KB3020369 & KB3125574 & KB3172605 all can be downloaded from the catalog using internet explorer
Microsoft Update Catalog

https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/...ows-7-and-8-1/
When manually installing updates you need to switch your update settings to Never check for updates and restart the machine first.

After restart you will need to ensure the built in windows update service is stopped and set to manual first too or it will conflict with the stand alone installer.
Attachment 391768
Afterwards reset the windows updates service to what it was before and update settings to your preference and check for updates
Should be only 50 or so updates left to install.

I also have all 3 needed updates on my OneDrive to make it easier for people to get them
https://1drv.ms/f/s!AsjD7o6P3KLKj2TjShn8-SumV1rr
Have now reinstalled after using DISKPART to create one partition. I feel a lot more comfortable seeing bootmgr in the same partition as OS rather than in a System Reserved partition. The 100Mb partition is correct. I borrowed a working drive from my brother and that has 100Mb partition on.

Now for backup. How reliable is the Windows System Image option?
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19 Sep 2016   #17
ThrashZone

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
 
 

Hi,
Not very dependable most of us use free macrium reflect instead and turn system protection off but mostly because we also use ssd's = solid state drives and it stops some unnesesary writes for a feature that rarely works if you disconnect a dedicated system image drive from the system.

Saying goes a drive that is connected to the system is at risk just as much as the operating system's drive is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQA7NlLvxg8
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19 Sep 2016   #18
Rhothgar

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

Oh my days!

Everything was going swimmingly after today's reinstall.

I've actually been working in it. It's been fine for the best part of the day. I knew it couldn't last.

I'll upload photo tomorrow.

I went away from the PC. 2nd time today and letter a program running. Came back. All looked fine. Decided to end process I was doing and save file. Go to save file. NO C DRIVE! Just not there in My Computer.
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19 Sep 2016   #19
ThrashZone

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
 
 

Hi
I made screen shot using reflect to point reflect to another connected drive with a already made folder on it for the new system image
I really could cry! Random shutdowns of clean install W7 Ultimate SP1-reflect-create-image-search-folder-already-created.png

Most importantly to create the recovery media cd or flash drive to use to restore the system image and or use startup repair...

I really could cry! Random shutdowns of clean install W7 Ultimate SP1-reflect-create-recue-media.png


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21 Sep 2016   #20
Rhothgar

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

That's a very good idea Thrashzone.

I often forget where I put things even though I tend to be very thorough.

Think I am going to do one of the installs in Audit mode on a dummy drive then I can transfer it whenever I like.

I spent the day yesterday, after the PC crashed again on Sunday night and corrupted some files and perhaps registry, on a drive my brother lent to me. Ran 100% fine.

I even swapped the power supply from the known good workstation but, even now, I can't recall when I did that. I think I did it yesterday morning early on to see if that resolved the issue but got Bootmgr again.

I am going to do a spare drive today and see how that goes. Then once I am happy that it can survive a day without crashing I will out the original PSU back in and finalise my thoughts on it.

The HP PSU's have a green LED which can be seen through the rear fan. It was flickering from time to time on the one I used when I was having problems. HP advise that it should be changed.

I wonder if anyone knows a fix. It's not capacitors. They all look good.
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