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Windows 7: How to force to run any setup/program/file without admin rights?

4 Weeks Ago   #11
Barman58

Windows 10 Pro x64 x2 Windows 10 Enterprise x64, Ubuntu
 
 

The only way to remove the rights required by programs is to completely re-write them and / or the OS, there is no other way.

This was also the case in older versions of windows NT style operating systems (Win 9.x had no security at the system level). windows XP faked the old way of working in the 9.x windows versions, for the home market, by making every user a full administrator, which made it look like the users did not need admin rights to install Programs, Drivers , Printers Etc. - They did but it was not obvious to the user.

It was actually common practice in NT, Win2000 and thus XP to create all users as Administrator accounts and leave the correction to the System / Server Admin to reduce the rights to safe levels, or leave them as local rights and constrain them at the network level.


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4 Weeks Ago   #12
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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Barman58 View Post
The only way to remove the rights required by programs is to completely re-write them and / or the OS, there is no other way.
That what I was afraid of... If you are truly right and there really is no direct approach to the problem, then it leaves with some indirect solutions. Maybe someone will offer some easy to live workaround, creative "out of the box" idea.

Or maybe there is some bug/glitch that might not be officially considered as a bug/glitch in Windows 7 OS that could be exploited in a way that would allow to achieve the goal? For example, that to me looks like a very serious bug and a massive hole in Windows security, but obviously people at Microsoft thinks otherwise, because, to my best knowledge, this security issue isn't fixed to this day. Maybe something similar exists for my problem.
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4 Weeks Ago   #13
Barman58

Windows 10 Pro x64 x2 Windows 10 Enterprise x64, Ubuntu
 
 

Just to try to explain a little clearer

The rights, (or lack of rights) that are triggering the messages you are receiving are a part of the operating system rather than the actual programs. There are many examples that show this in the way that a program behaves differently if the program is ran by an administrator than when run by a non administrator - if the program is asked by the user to perform some task or access some file which are given Admin Only protection it depends on the user rights whether this action is completed, not the programs limits. Some programs can only work as an administrator due to the jobs they are designed for and these will normally trigger the admin elevation required message directly to save later checks and processing but most are triggered by the OS when the program attempts to access a protected object.

The reason for the amount of protected objects ( files, processes, folders, Etc), has risen dramatically in the later versions of windows is due to the need to defend against the modern sophistication of malware but a lot of access restriction has always been there, just hidden by the subterfuge of all administrative users.

The link you show is not a major bug in that I am confident that given access to a physical system most cybercriminals and IT Professionals could quite easily gain access to the contents of the hard drive - encrypted data would still be safe although the subtle addition of physical removal and remote storage of the hard drive is even better and standard practice in truly secure systems - of course the value of the data itself is a major factor in the need for security level employed - it's unlikely that any criminal will break into my property to steal to personal info
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4 Weeks Ago   #14
Barman58

Windows 10 Pro x64 x2 Windows 10 Enterprise x64, Ubuntu
 
 

One way that may work is to remove all security on every object that can be changed - ie every file, folder, and registry entry in the system ( a task almost akin to making eggs from an omelette). but this would have to be performed by the hidden administrator account in order to circumvent the added security performed by the TrustedUser account.

if you have a specific activity that is causing you an issue, (or just annoyance), changing the permissions on specific objects, may remove the restrictions with an acceptable level of work although this might take a fair amount of trial and error to achieve as any modern OS is a complex system
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4 Weeks Ago   #15
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Win 7 x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Barman58 View Post
Just to try to explain a little clearer
Thank you for the explanation, it's much clearer now, but it's kinda annoying that program makers, OS creators think that they know better that I what is best for me... I rather receive message "Sorry bro, can't install myself because I can't access Programs Files directory. Either give me appropriate rights or change installation location" instead of "If you won't give me admin rights, I won't install no matter what".
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4 Weeks Ago   #16
Win7 WINNN

Win 7 x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Barman58 View Post
One way that may work is to remove all security on every object that can be changed - ie every file, folder, and registry entry in the system ( a task almost akin to making eggs from an omelette). but this would have to be performed by the hidden administrator account in order to circumvent the added security performed by the TrustedUser account.

if you have a specific activity that is causing you an issue, (or just annoyance), changing the permissions on specific objects, may remove the restrictions with an acceptable level of work although this might take a fair amount of trial and error to achieve as any modern OS is a complex system
Process Monitor might help here, but I kinda have feeling that some setups don't install purely (!) because they see that user doesn't have admin rights. Such setup might have access to absolutely everything it might need, but if it checks that user doesn't have admin right, that's it, it won't do anything else. Am I wrong for thinking like that?
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4 Weeks Ago   #17
Barman58

Windows 10 Pro x64 x2 Windows 10 Enterprise x64, Ubuntu
 
 

The admin rights system is the very permission you are requesting but is so designed to protect you and your system from those criminals that want to gain access to your system to rob you. I know that my personal bank account is not something that would allow a criminal to live in luxury, but empty a hundred or a thousand or a million such accounts and that is worth their efforts.

They are to blame for the security hike in recent software - yes it's a right royal PITA but I consider it necessary for my ease of use over what I always used and I understand the developers adding it these days as I'm sure I could foresee an awful lot of litigation from people whose systems are hacked if the security was not in place - Sad but the world we live in I'm afraid
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4 Weeks Ago   #18
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To clear things up.


My basic wish is that programs/setups/etc would work in the environment that were launch in and that they would do as much as they can on those rights that they have. Some programs does exactly that, for others a little push with "RunAsInvoker" is necessary, but some of them are so damn stubborn...
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4 Weeks Ago   #19
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Win 7 x64
 
 

This whole thing to me looks like a big security concern. If I know that some program will work just fine or fine enough without admin rights, then it immediately rises the question why this program so desperately demands for admin rights even when I'm pushing it with "RunAsInvoker"? What else such program is trying to do/install besides the obvious?
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4 Weeks Ago   #20
Barman58

Windows 10 Pro x64 x2 Windows 10 Enterprise x64, Ubuntu
 
 

Some developers are more compliant to Microsoft's development Guidelines, (rules), than others. I've forgotten the number of times that programs fail with a new OS or even system update due to the fact that a developer made a direct call to a system process rather than use the designated MS system variable, (which changes the location correctly when it actually changes).

I think there is a similar error in some programming for the admin requirement

I've seen games and other Utilities that have an admin requirement due to the developers being to lazy to move the storage location for the game parameter settings (.ini file) from the Install folder in Program Files to the user AppData folder where the permissions are correct ( this has been a "requirement" from before the release of XP and the end of the 9.x line).
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