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Windows 7: Where is arabic keyboard layout with DIGITS in w7???

05 Jan 2011   #11
Jarrex

Windows 7
 
 

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I just want to know more about what Arabic people expect from their keyboard... like say you wanted hexadecimal with hindi digits... do you have preference of what letters to substitute for digits "A" to "F"... and say you want to kill the current process with a Control-C... what key combination would you like to use on your Arabic keyboard... and does anyone know of a good discussion forum I can join for this?
Well to be honest, I am a native English speaker. I just also do work involving writing and translating the Arabic language. So, personally, I find it easiest if the commands such as CTRL +C stay the same. I also know from experience that the Middle Eastern version of Win7 has commands in the same position as the English versions. If this isn't what you were asking please let me know so i can help out more!


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05 Jan 2011   #12
worksofcraft

Ubuntu 64 bit
 
 

Yes that is exactly the sort of thing I wanted to know... you see I'm trying to write a new terminal emulator that understands about bidirectional text and I wasn't sure what to do with control keys... come to think of it I'm also not sure of the shift and caps lock keys because even though Arabic has 4 different forms for each character there is no way to control it from the keyboard: It all has to be in the display driver apparently.

The digits issue is related to translatable software: Below is picture of same simple little program showing how even the numeric output can be automatically translated when we switch locale... except I didn't know what Arabic people might want to use for digits A and B in numbers with base 12.


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05 Jan 2011   #13
Kari

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

 

Here's how to use Hindi numbers in Windows 7:
  • Install Arabic 101 or 102 keyboard layout
  • Open Region and Language settings
  • Click Format tab > Additional settings
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  • Open Standard digits drop down menu in Numbers tab, select the format of digits you want to use
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  • Open Use native digits drop down menu in Numbers tab, select when you want to use native digits. Selecting National uses digits of chosen keyboard layout, for instance Hindi digits with Arabic layout, if Hindi digits were selected in previous step
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That's it.

Kari


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05 Jan 2011   #14
Jarrex

Windows 7
 
 

@Worksofcraft

When it comes to shift and caps, typing tends to lead to the short vowel characters, probably around 50% of the shift keys on the letters are short vowels or phonetic helpers. However, the numbers shifted stay the exact same. So i think for what you want to do, in order for most people to be happy with what you are making is to keep it the same as the english controls.

@Kari, no its not. Please read the entire thread before posting something like that.
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05 Jan 2011   #15
Kari

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

 

Jarrex, please can you tell me what was / is wrong in my post? I admit there was one typo which I have fixed now; instead of choosing Never in Use native digits, I have to choose National. Doing this, I get whatever digits I choose from Standard Digits.

Choosing it even changes how Windows Explorer shows the digits. These examples from Notepad showing digits 0 to 9, Taskbar clock showing time and date, and Pictures library with image names that are only digits. Of course, not speaking or understanding Arabic, I do not know if these really are Arabic digits, but they sure look like them to me.

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Kari


EDIT: Added this snip from Word, to show it really works. Digits 0 to 9 in Arabic:

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05 Jan 2011   #16
Jarrex

Windows 7
 
 

Kari, you aren't reading the posts before you. The issue is that only works in terms of Microsoft Office and other Microsoft Applications (This is caused by the fact that the Keyboard Layout doesn't include hindi digits, but the OS does). Otherwise, Hindi Digits will not work. This is why I made Arabic 103 and posted the download on the first page.


Let me explain visually.

Here is what Microsoft's Arabic 102 looks like on KLC:



And here is what I altered the KLC to do:



If you notice, they don't include the actual Hindi Digits in their KLC, they include Roman Numerals. This means that you have to change every microsoft app to "Context" whenever you want to have the ability to switch between languages and type Hindi Digits. However, with the 103 I made, you can just switch languages and not alter anything in terms of context. 103 Also allows you to use hindi digits on google chrome, firefox and every other program that runs on Windows.
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05 Jan 2011   #17
Kari

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

 

I can understand your frustration, when someone not even understanding Arabic comes here and posts that users don't have to download your layout only to get Arabic numbers, that this feature is natively in Windows 7, but that's not a reason to give wrong information.

Changing the digits as I described, the setting is global; you do not have to do it separately for each program. It also works in every application, not only those from Microsoft. When changed from Regional and Language settings, every single application, Microsoft or third party, uses Arabic digits until the setting is changed to something else.

Just for your information, here are Arabic digits produced as I described in Oracle's OpenOffice Writer:

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As far from Microsoft product as possible.

Kari


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05 Jan 2011   #18
Jarrex

Windows 7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Kari View Post
I can understand your frustration, when someone not even understanding Arabic comes here and posts that users don't have to download your layout only to get Arabic numbers, that this feature is natively in Windows 7, but that's not a reason to give wrong information.

Changing the digits as I described, the setting is global; you do not have to do it separately to each program. It also works in every application, not only those from Microsoft. When changed from Regional and Language settings, every single application, Microsoft or third party, uses Arabic digits until the setting is changed to something else.

Just for your information, here's Arabic digits produced as I described in Oracle's OpenOffice Writer:

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As far from Microsoft product as possible.

Kari
what version of windows 7 do you use? because that is not that case for mine and judging by the other forum posters (not just this forum) I am not the only one with this issue.

I am not frustrated, but as you can see the OP of this thread tried that when the first person told them to do the exact same thing. It most likely has something to do with windows 7 version, since it seems that the google search results for this issue seem to just produce a bunch of people on 7 Professional who can not seem to get numbers working outside of office.
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05 Jan 2011   #19
Kari

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

 

Retail version of Windows 7 Ultimate x64.
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05 Jan 2011   #20
Jarrex

Windows 7
 
 

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Additional features include support for Multilingual User Interface (MUI) packages
I am guessing that somehow the MUI for Arabic for 7 professional somehow doesn't include the hindi digits on the keyboard, because the digits were quite literally missing from my KLC.
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