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Windows 7: Back to 7048 (seems faster than 7057)


14 Mar 2009   #1

W7 X-64 RTM,SUSE 11.1, XP PRO SP3 as a VM, VMware ESXi
 
 
Back to 7048 (seems faster than 7057)

Hi everybody

It's not that 7057 is bad or anything -- it's just that on 2 of my systems I seem to get better performance with 7048 (x-64) than 7057.

As people have pointed out "Unofficial" or "Semi" official builds may have all sorts of debugging info in them and might be geared to solving particular problems which won't (hopefully) appear in the "Normal Public" builds.

So the fastest I've had is 7048. I've tried them all from the PRE beta until t057.

I'm now abandoning any further "upgrade" installs until the RC1 appears whatever the torrents may bring.

Cheers

jimbo

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14 Mar 2009   #2
Microsoft MVP

W 7 64-bit Ultimate
 
 

Hello jimbo45.


To me that's what this is all about; finding what works and what doesn't and letting the collective (I like that term) know the outcome..... ...

Keep coming back, it works if you work it.













Later Ted
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14 Mar 2009   #3

windows 7
 
 

i agree

7048 was faster for me too

im keeping it and ill install again later if the next build wont be faster then 7057
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14 Mar 2009   #4
DiamondNRG

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
Hi everybody

It's not that 7057 is bad or anything -- it's just that on 2 of my systems I seem to get better performance with 7048 (x-64) than 7057.

As people have pointed out "Unofficial" or "Semi" official builds may have all sorts of debugging info in them and might be geared to solving particular problems which won't (hopefully) appear in the "Normal Public" builds.

So the fastest I've had is 7048. I've tried them all from the PRE beta until t057.

I'm now abandoning any further "upgrade" installs until the RC1 appears whatever the torrents may bring.

Cheers

jimbo
You know that 7048 is unofficial too, so you better go all the way back to 7000.
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15 Mar 2009   #5

W7 X-64 RTM,SUSE 11.1, XP PRO SP3 as a VM, VMware ESXi
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DiamondNRG View Post
You know that 7048 is unofficial too, so you better go all the way back to 7000.

Hi there -- I think you misunderstood the point of the post

What I meant was that these "non public" builds might have all sorts of stuff in them (not necessarily malicious) which are there to address particular problems. This means that a later build might behave differently from an earlier build (could be driver diagnostic debugging, limiting the amount of processor "threads", throttling back the throghput for diagnostic and performance analysis etc etc).

Some work really well (such as build 7022 and even better build 7048), some seem to run more sluggishly - not by a lot it must be said however (build 7057).

Since the RC1 is now just around the corner and there doesn't seem to be any extra stuff I need to test -- all my apps and hardware work (apart from a few legacy devices which didn't even work on VISTA (manufacturers have long since gone to "that great Factory in the Sky") -- which I run happily on a Windows XP Virtual Machine, I'm going to leave 7048 running until RC1 and let others play around with any newer builds until RC1.

Of course if some "Really Shattering" feature comes out --well that's another issue but the version of Windows 7 I'm running now (on 2 Machines) seems absolutely Rock solid.

I'll upgrade the rest of my network probably sometime this week -- I then will only have a Linux SUSE 11.1 server and a "Production daily work" XP PRO 64 bit machine which I'll wait until Windows 7 ships in Final before upgrading. (I may switch both these machines to a single Windows 2008 Server -- a long long time since I even thought of using Windows as a server but Windows 2008 server looks good as well -- a topic for another post).

BTW the last straw in Build 7057 was the horrible insipid pale blue logon background and the "girlie peace dove" on the screen. -- You know the one with "Lock this computer, Switch User, Logoff, Change a password etc on it.

The previous build with the bolder colours was much better.

When I came into my "Computer Lab" with a number of machines locked with the build 7057 screen on them I nearly felt sick. My machines are always automatically locked after 10 mins if no activity on them - group Policy.

Cheers
jimbo
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15 Mar 2009   #6
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Windows 7 64-Bit 7057
 
 

7057 seems faster than 7000 here.
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16 Mar 2009   #7

Xp/Homeserver/Win7
 
 

7057 was faster than 7048 7022 and 7000 on my netbook. It may be hardware specific, but if you look at what was focused on in build 7057 i dont see how the speed could be affected.
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16 Mar 2009   #8

W7 X-64 RTM,SUSE 11.1, XP PRO SP3 as a VM, VMware ESXi
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Triple7 View Post
7057 was faster than 7048 7022 and 7000 on my netbook. It may be hardware specific, but if you look at what was focused on in build 7057 i dont see how the speed could be affected.
Internal builds not intended for "public" consumption might have all sorts of "non documented features(?) " in them so whilst the general direction of what the build contains might be correct it's in the detail where problems could arise.

I suspect there are 2 main areas where build 7057 is doing some extra work compared with its predecessor 7048.

1) The installation / startup. Sometimes it takes AGES to get to the Language prompt screen on initial installation -- this appears (although I don't have any rigorous scientific proof for this) to be worse on better equipped machines -- My 16 GB RAM Quad Q9400 system took longer to install from scratch than a smaller 4GB Dual T7250 4GB RAM laptop.

I tried this twice with different physical ISO's just to make sure the DVD wasn't defective.

2) The graphics -- definitely snappier in build 7048. There's probably some debugging / diagnostic stuff in there so that NVIDIAa can get its ***T together.

3) Running the WEI causes problems on some machines on build 7057 and takes a LONG time to run before eventually crashing.

(Running Winsat formal in elevated command mode and "downgrading" the chipset drivers back to the manufactuers rather than the Microsoft "out of the box" cures this in most cases -- normally we shouldn't have to mess around with this stuff -- but hey it's meant to be BETA testing after all).

There might be other stuff in the build as well but as far as I can see that seems about it.

Cheers
jimbo
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16 Mar 2009   #9

Win7 Ultimate x64 on Desktop / Win7 Ultimate x86 on laptop / Win7 x86 Starter on Netbook
 
 

I think that certain PC's have problems with some builds and some don't?
Mine is excellent with build 7057.
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16 Mar 2009   #10

 
 

7048 vs 7057 (my experience)
1) installation took about 5 minutes longer w/ 7057 (still pretty quick-25 minutes)

2) 7048 a bit quicker (not by much, but still noticeable)

3) no issues running WEI with 7000, 7048, or 7057 (even though 7000 gives me a 6.0 and 7048 and 7057 gives 5.9)

4) Forceware 181.71 big improvement over 179.23 and 179.43
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