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12 Jan 2010   #11

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Frostmourne View Post
  • Install less bloated apps - Foxit Reader vs the gigantic Adobe Reader
Amen to that. I haven't used Adobe Reader for so long, I forgot that it actually still existed.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Frostmourne View Post
Clean out your case monthly if you need it and you probably do.
My last few cases have all been Antec's with dust screens in the air intakes and that has been a fantastic improvement to keeping the inside of the PC clean.

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13 Jan 2010   #12

Windows XP - Now Windows 7 Home Premium (64-bit).
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by manhunter2826 View Post
I don't see anything wrong with Macs; yes one has to pay a premium but they look gorgeous; aesthetics does also matter to me. There is a lot of rubbish in the Windows market, esp. of laptops.
As slick as some of the MAC hardware looks....there are also big downfalls which I don't like either. For example, the iMAC is an all in one. Thus...if the monitor breaks the computer is useless and vice versa. That's just a real no go for me. If I invest in a really nice monitor than I generally want to move it to the newest computer in my house. Being stuck (pun intended) to the computer it came with really stinks.

Also, you can get very aesthetically pleasing PC hardware as well...but most people try to save the almighty buck when it comes to PC's simply because they can. For example, a Corsair Obsidian 800d case looks just as nice as any Mac Pro that I have ever seen. Of course, it also costs $279 as well and is huge. But I'm just saying that you can certainly build a beautiful looking PC if you try.
Agreed, and points well illustrated
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13 Jan 2010   #13

OSX
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Jonathan_King View Post
Welcome to SF!

. . . Doing a clean install removes these programs, and gives the user a fresh start.

Bottom line is if you maintain your computer, you can use it a long time. I have an old XP machine that stills runs like the day it was bought because I maintain it.

~Jonathan
Well, I guess in a way that's the rub. I didn't want to invest all that time in maintaining the computer. The user has to work continuously and be ever vigilant about uninstalling programs. But sometimes even when you uninstall a program you decided you don't like, it doesn't completely uninstall. It leaves entries in the registry and folders and files in other places, and there's no way to know what these files and entries are. Now, to what extent all the detritus of uninstalled software contributes to the slow-down problem, I don't really know. But I know there were times that I would spend half a day figuring out what which program startup entries were associated with and which ones to delete or mark for not loading at start up. I'd have to Google each entry before figuring out whether I could delete it. And still there would be loads of stuff in RAM that I didn't have a clue what to do with.

I had noticed that many Mac users didn't have a clue about how their computers ran, and now I know why. 1) they didn't need to know because their computers ran with comparatively few problems; 2) when you do have a problem with the Mac, sometimes the solution seems to be a well-protected secret. Searching for the solution on Google will find others with the same problem but sometimes you simply can't find the solution for it.
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13 Jan 2010   #14

OSX
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
I feel the reason that Windows computers indeed slow down so much over time is because of the huge availability of software which is available for them. People just don't seem to be able to help themselves when it comes to downloading something new and installing it and trying it out to see how it works. While some are conscious about uninstalling what they don't use...not every app truly uninstalls itself. I think with the Apple...there isn't as much out there...thus the boxes don't get littered with anywhere near as much garbage.
I'm afraid I have to plead guilty as charged. When I read a good review about a program I thought would be interesting or useful, I'd install it. Often I never uninstalled the program even if I used it only very rarely.
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13 Jan 2010   #15

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Frostmourne View Post
To keep Windows maintained:

  • Don't randomly install any software - get it only from the manufacturer's site and only if you need it - and really, do you need it?
  • Install less bloated apps - Foxit Reader vs the gigantic Adobe Reader
  • Don't install or tweak 7 with any apps - run Disk Cleaner once a week via sageset and a scheduled task.
  • Clean out the %TMP% folder weekly - disk cleanup should do it if you set it up right but just check.
  • Worth saying again, don't buy or use any cleaning utilities.
  • Install the latest drivers manually for a home-built desktop or from the manufacturer for a laptop, or the majority of drivers for a useless store bought PC. Use a driver sweeper for the GPU and sound drivers.
  • Clean out your case monthly if you need it and you probably do.
  • Keep your apps updated fully with PSI and only use one single antivirus app - Microsoft Security Esssentials + UAC + Windows Firewall is enough.
  • You don't need an on-demand scanner unless your system has been compromised.
Roughly that's it, but someone might add something.
Excellent point! +1
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13 Jan 2010   #16

OSX
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Fantail View Post
7 seems to have good scheduling ability. Good housekeeping. And then a/v such as MSE has it's own maintenance, you just have to remember to leave your system on for that day/night.
Does this means that Windows 7 cleans and maintains itself at night if you leave the computer on? (I don't understand the jargon "a/v such as MSE.") The Macs do that, and I wonder whether that is a big reason why they maintain their performance over time.

I guess I'm trying to persuade myself to either buy another Windows machine or to install Windows 7 in bootcamp and run it on the Mac. I prefer the idea of running Windows 7 as a virtual machine in the Mac environment so I can switch between them at will, but doing involves some tradeoffs.
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13 Jan 2010   #17

OSX
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
As slick as some of the MAC hardware looks....there are also big downfalls which I don't like either. For example, the iMAC is an all in one. Thus...if the monitor breaks the computer is useless and vice versa. That's just a real no go for me. If I invest in a really nice monitor than I generally want to move it to the newest computer in my house. Being stuck (pun intended) to the computer it came with really stinks.
Now you've touched on a problem that I've just run into. I wanted to have the Apple store install a 750 GB hard drive into my iMac and copy all the programs on my current 320 GB hard drive onto the new, bigger drive. But the Apple store told me they don't do "upgrades." Clearly they know how to install parts because they had just replaced an optical drive for me. I was told to try Best Buy. So I did. And you know what they said? That I should probably call the Apple store about doing that.

I'm not sure what the problem is, but clearly Apple doesn't want you to "upgrade" a machine once you've bought it, even if you buy the parts at their own stores and at their own inflated prices. I love the fact that my iMac is an all-in-one, however. When I want to take it with me for a few days it's a breeze to unplug it and haul it away. The downside, though, is what you just pointed out. I can't do any maintenance on it myself. (Actually, I've learned that I can, but it probably kills the warranty if I do, as Apple prohibits self-maintenance.) If this were a Windows box, popping it open and dropping in a new hard drive would be a fast, inexpensive upgrade.
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13 Jan 2010   #18

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ntrepid View Post
Does this means that Windows 7 cleans and maintains itself at night if you leave the computer on? (I don't understand the jargon "a/v such as MSE.") The Macs do that, and I wonder whether that is a big reason why they maintain their performance over time.

I guess I'm trying to persuade myself to either buy another Windows machine or to install Windows 7 in bootcamp and run it on the Mac. I prefer the idea of running Windows 7 as a virtual machine in the Mac environment so I can switch between them at will, but doing involves some tradeoffs.
A/V Stands for Anti Virus and MSE is Microsoft Security Essentials, the free a/v software provided by MS.

Basically, Windows does have a lot of scheduled automated tasks like MACS that attempt to maintain optimum efficiency.

Windows 7 does a very good job at maintaining a level of 'smoothness' over extended use.
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13 Jan 2010   #19

OSX
 
 

Manhunter, when it comes to the MacBook Pro, it's not just a matter of "looks." I have fallen in love with that laptop. The aluminum case is extraordinarily sturdy. I was looking at laptops the other day at Best Buy and most of them are much thicker and heavier than the MacBook Pro, and the cases are shiny plastic. They feel much, much flimsier, whether they are in reality or not. Of course, it was NOT a cheap laptop, so I guess I paid for that sturdy look and feel.
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13 Jan 2010   #20

Windows XP - Now Windows 7 Home Premium (64-bit).
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ntrepid View Post
Manhunter, when it comes to the MacBook Pro, it's not just a matter of "looks." I have fallen in love with that laptop. The aluminum case is extraordinarily sturdy. I was looking at laptops the other day at Best Buy and most of them are much thicker and heavier than the MacBook Pro, and the cases are shiny plastic. They feel much, much flimsier, whether they are in reality or not. Of course, it was NOT a cheap laptop, so I guess I paid for that sturdy look and feel.
Yes, I agree with you; and it's not just a matter of aesthetics. Indeed, most of my pointers (criticism) was directed at (Windows) laptops - I see so much poor quality kit out there. There are some nice quality laptops: Lenovo, and Asus also make some nice machines, and some of the Dell models are quite nice too
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