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I have found several files that are installed on my system, that are not visible in a file manager. I have it set to show hidden files and protected operating system files, so what would be causing these files not to appear as they should? Is there something else that I can control that would make these files appear?
 

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Motherboard
ASRock 890FX Deluxe 4/**A8N-SLI
Memory
2 x 2GB Patriot PGS34g1600LLKA/**4x1GB Corsair VS
Graphics Card(s)
EVGA GTX460 SC/**EVGA 8800GTS
Sound Card
Asus Xonar D2X/**Xonar D1
Monitor(s) Displays
Acer X233H, Dell E152FPc /**LG M237-WD
Screen Resolution
1920x1080 & 1024x768/**1980x1080
Hard Drives
WDC 2TB, 1.5TB, 1TB, 500GB,Seagate 500GB , Maxtor 80GB /**500GB Seagate & WDC 1TB Black
PSU
CM RS600 w/ APC BX1000G/**Antec 500 TP w/ APC BX1000
Case
HAF922/**Antec 1040IIB
Cooling
3x200mm, 1x140 and 1x120mm/**5x80mm fans
Keyboard
Logitech Media USB/**Saitek Eclipse
Mouse
Cordless Trackman Wheel/**Ditto
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SB 560 5.1 w/ Sennheiser RS140/**Creative T20 speakers, Dvico FusionHDTV7 Gold RT, Cisco E3000, HP 5510V AIO, Linksys E3000, Belkin F5U237 hub and **F5D8055 adapter
(** = 2nd rig)
I found this article:

Invisible files with '._' prefix are created on some shared volumes and external disks | MacFixIt - CNET Reviews

Which suggested to me that the problem might be due to some kind of corruption of the files, which apparently was the case for an invisible font. It had become corrupted by my previous CPU, just as the Windows drive had been, even though it was archived on a separate drive. I cross installed the font between my rigs, and it now appears as it should.

Yet, this doesn't seem to be the answer for some invisible drivers, because they were installed by Windows during the intial installation of the OS. If they were corrupted then, it would seem that they wouldn't be visible in the Device Manager and not in the file manager, so I'm still looking for answers.
 

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W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE
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Phenom II 1090T w/Noctua NH-D14 /**4400+ X2 w/CM Hyper TX 3
Motherboard
ASRock 890FX Deluxe 4/**A8N-SLI
Memory
2 x 2GB Patriot PGS34g1600LLKA/**4x1GB Corsair VS
Graphics Card(s)
EVGA GTX460 SC/**EVGA 8800GTS
Sound Card
Asus Xonar D2X/**Xonar D1
Monitor(s) Displays
Acer X233H, Dell E152FPc /**LG M237-WD
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1920x1080 & 1024x768/**1980x1080
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WDC 2TB, 1.5TB, 1TB, 500GB,Seagate 500GB , Maxtor 80GB /**500GB Seagate & WDC 1TB Black
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CM RS600 w/ APC BX1000G/**Antec 500 TP w/ APC BX1000
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HAF922/**Antec 1040IIB
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3x200mm, 1x140 and 1x120mm/**5x80mm fans
Keyboard
Logitech Media USB/**Saitek Eclipse
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Cordless Trackman Wheel/**Ditto
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SB 560 5.1 w/ Sennheiser RS140/**Creative T20 speakers, Dvico FusionHDTV7 Gold RT, Cisco E3000, HP 5510V AIO, Linksys E3000, Belkin F5U237 hub and **F5D8055 adapter
(** = 2nd rig)

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Dell XPS 420
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Windows 10, Home Clean Install
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Intel Core2 processsor Q8200(2.33Ghz 1333FSB) Quad Core Tech
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Dell
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6 gb
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ATI Radeon 256MB HD3650
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Intergrated 7.1 Channel Audio
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Dell SP2009W 20"
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640 GB Serial ATA Hard drive
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Fan
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Dell USB Keyboard
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Dell Premium Optical USB
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DSL 2.85
Can you give some filename examples? And what program are you using to find these files that are not visible in explorer?
 

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Scratch built
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Windows 7 x64 Ultimate
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i7 960
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Asus P6X58D
Memory
12 Gig Corsair Dominator
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Nvidia 480
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Maudio Delta 44 + breakout box
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Dell UltraSharp U2410 24in and Samsung 21 dual monitors
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1920x1200 and 1280x1024
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Primary: Intel X-25M G2 160G SSD
Secondary: Segate baracuda 1.0 TB
HDs in AHCI mode.
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Corasair TX850
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Cooler Master HAF
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Corsair H50
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Logitech G15 + N52 game pad
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Logitech MX518
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WEI 7.6
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Hard disk 7.7
As I said, the files are drivers. In this case, the nForce4 IDE ATA/ATAPI portion of the set. It is not a program that I can view these in, it is the Details button of the driver tab of the devices in the Device Manager. The files involved are:

idecoi.dll
nvata.cat
nvide.nvu
nvstor.inf
nvstor.sys

I realize that some of these are just for the purpose of the installation, but the idecoi.dll and nvstor.sys are those visible for the Nvidia nForce Serial ATA Controllers.

The reason that I'm attempting to locate and verify their paths is because these fail to install on my secondary rig altogether, and I'm considering trying to do a manual install of them.

EDIT: I'm trying to attach screenshots of the Device Manager from both rigs, but for some reason, it works on the primary rig, but not on the secondary. I have to do them separately, since I haven't figured out how to setup the network yet.
 

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W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCEPhenom II 1090T w/Noctua NH-D14 /**4400+ X2 w...2 x 2GB Patriot PGS34g1600LLKA/**4x1GB Corsai...EVGA GTX460 SC/**EVGA 8800GTS
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
DIY
OS
W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE
CPU
Phenom II 1090T w/Noctua NH-D14 /**4400+ X2 w/CM Hyper TX 3
Motherboard
ASRock 890FX Deluxe 4/**A8N-SLI
Memory
2 x 2GB Patriot PGS34g1600LLKA/**4x1GB Corsair VS
Graphics Card(s)
EVGA GTX460 SC/**EVGA 8800GTS
Sound Card
Asus Xonar D2X/**Xonar D1
Monitor(s) Displays
Acer X233H, Dell E152FPc /**LG M237-WD
Screen Resolution
1920x1080 & 1024x768/**1980x1080
Hard Drives
WDC 2TB, 1.5TB, 1TB, 500GB,Seagate 500GB , Maxtor 80GB /**500GB Seagate & WDC 1TB Black
PSU
CM RS600 w/ APC BX1000G/**Antec 500 TP w/ APC BX1000
Case
HAF922/**Antec 1040IIB
Cooling
3x200mm, 1x140 and 1x120mm/**5x80mm fans
Keyboard
Logitech Media USB/**Saitek Eclipse
Mouse
Cordless Trackman Wheel/**Ditto
Internet Speed
3.3Mbps
Other Info
SB 560 5.1 w/ Sennheiser RS140/**Creative T20 speakers, Dvico FusionHDTV7 Gold RT, Cisco E3000, HP 5510V AIO, Linksys E3000, Belkin F5U237 hub and **F5D8055 adapter
(** = 2nd rig)
Finally got it. As can be seen in the second shot on the right, this is how the secondary rig is now, and how the primary rig was before installing the nForce 4 drivers. I could be wrong, but since both motherboards are very similar and are both nForce 4, I assume that both should appear the same in the Device Manager.

EDIT: The drivers shown for the secondary rig appear to be those installed by the OS at the initial setup.
 

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W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCEPhenom II 1090T w/Noctua NH-D14 /**4400+ X2 w...2 x 2GB Patriot PGS34g1600LLKA/**4x1GB Corsai...EVGA GTX460 SC/**EVGA 8800GTS
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
DIY
OS
W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE
CPU
Phenom II 1090T w/Noctua NH-D14 /**4400+ X2 w/CM Hyper TX 3
Motherboard
ASRock 890FX Deluxe 4/**A8N-SLI
Memory
2 x 2GB Patriot PGS34g1600LLKA/**4x1GB Corsair VS
Graphics Card(s)
EVGA GTX460 SC/**EVGA 8800GTS
Sound Card
Asus Xonar D2X/**Xonar D1
Monitor(s) Displays
Acer X233H, Dell E152FPc /**LG M237-WD
Screen Resolution
1920x1080 & 1024x768/**1980x1080
Hard Drives
WDC 2TB, 1.5TB, 1TB, 500GB,Seagate 500GB , Maxtor 80GB /**500GB Seagate & WDC 1TB Black
PSU
CM RS600 w/ APC BX1000G/**Antec 500 TP w/ APC BX1000
Case
HAF922/**Antec 1040IIB
Cooling
3x200mm, 1x140 and 1x120mm/**5x80mm fans
Keyboard
Logitech Media USB/**Saitek Eclipse
Mouse
Cordless Trackman Wheel/**Ditto
Internet Speed
3.3Mbps
Other Info
SB 560 5.1 w/ Sennheiser RS140/**Creative T20 speakers, Dvico FusionHDTV7 Gold RT, Cisco E3000, HP 5510V AIO, Linksys E3000, Belkin F5U237 hub and **F5D8055 adapter
(** = 2nd rig)
I managed to get the chipset drivers installed, so that it now appears the same in both Device Managers, but the problem remains with the invisible files on my primary rig. Comparing Windows/System32/Drivers folders on each machine, the secondary displays a content of 305 files, while the primary only shows 11. If anything, the primary should show more files than the secondary, because I have more hardware and software installed on it. I'm still scratching my head on how to display the true content of the folder, for I know that the files are there, I just can't see them.
 

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W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCEPhenom II 1090T w/Noctua NH-D14 /**4400+ X2 w...2 x 2GB Patriot PGS34g1600LLKA/**4x1GB Corsai...EVGA GTX460 SC/**EVGA 8800GTS
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
DIY
OS
W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE
CPU
Phenom II 1090T w/Noctua NH-D14 /**4400+ X2 w/CM Hyper TX 3
Motherboard
ASRock 890FX Deluxe 4/**A8N-SLI
Memory
2 x 2GB Patriot PGS34g1600LLKA/**4x1GB Corsair VS
Graphics Card(s)
EVGA GTX460 SC/**EVGA 8800GTS
Sound Card
Asus Xonar D2X/**Xonar D1
Monitor(s) Displays
Acer X233H, Dell E152FPc /**LG M237-WD
Screen Resolution
1920x1080 & 1024x768/**1980x1080
Hard Drives
WDC 2TB, 1.5TB, 1TB, 500GB,Seagate 500GB , Maxtor 80GB /**500GB Seagate & WDC 1TB Black
PSU
CM RS600 w/ APC BX1000G/**Antec 500 TP w/ APC BX1000
Case
HAF922/**Antec 1040IIB
Cooling
3x200mm, 1x140 and 1x120mm/**5x80mm fans
Keyboard
Logitech Media USB/**Saitek Eclipse
Mouse
Cordless Trackman Wheel/**Ditto
Internet Speed
3.3Mbps
Other Info
SB 560 5.1 w/ Sennheiser RS140/**Creative T20 speakers, Dvico FusionHDTV7 Gold RT, Cisco E3000, HP 5510V AIO, Linksys E3000, Belkin F5U237 hub and **F5D8055 adapter
(** = 2nd rig)
It is times such as th is, that I believe that the computer is playing games with my mind. I know that I tried to find these files with Windows Explorer before without any luck, yet when I just tried, they are there as they should be.

I generally use a third party file manager, and even though W Explorer sees the files, my file manager still doesn't. I have Googled "super hidden files" and found returns for fixes going back to W2K to show these files, with solutions generally involving a regedit. I don't understand that, because it seems to do the same thing as changing the setting in Folder Options.

The options for my file manager has one to show/no show hidden files, but not for protected system files (super hidden), so it seems to ignore my folder options setting and continue hiding these files. I have it running as administrator and I am logged into the built in administrator account, so I fail to understand it's behavior.

I don't know that using a different file manager would work any better, because I have run into this before with others...just not so solidly. I don't guess that anyone would have a suggestion as to how to tame this problem...would they?
 

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W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCEPhenom II 1090T w/Noctua NH-D14 /**4400+ X2 w...2 x 2GB Patriot PGS34g1600LLKA/**4x1GB Corsai...EVGA GTX460 SC/**EVGA 8800GTS
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
DIY
OS
W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE
CPU
Phenom II 1090T w/Noctua NH-D14 /**4400+ X2 w/CM Hyper TX 3
Motherboard
ASRock 890FX Deluxe 4/**A8N-SLI
Memory
2 x 2GB Patriot PGS34g1600LLKA/**4x1GB Corsair VS
Graphics Card(s)
EVGA GTX460 SC/**EVGA 8800GTS
Sound Card
Asus Xonar D2X/**Xonar D1
Monitor(s) Displays
Acer X233H, Dell E152FPc /**LG M237-WD
Screen Resolution
1920x1080 & 1024x768/**1980x1080
Hard Drives
WDC 2TB, 1.5TB, 1TB, 500GB,Seagate 500GB , Maxtor 80GB /**500GB Seagate & WDC 1TB Black
PSU
CM RS600 w/ APC BX1000G/**Antec 500 TP w/ APC BX1000
Case
HAF922/**Antec 1040IIB
Cooling
3x200mm, 1x140 and 1x120mm/**5x80mm fans
Keyboard
Logitech Media USB/**Saitek Eclipse
Mouse
Cordless Trackman Wheel/**Ditto
Internet Speed
3.3Mbps
Other Info
SB 560 5.1 w/ Sennheiser RS140/**Creative T20 speakers, Dvico FusionHDTV7 Gold RT, Cisco E3000, HP 5510V AIO, Linksys E3000, Belkin F5U237 hub and **F5D8055 adapter
(** = 2nd rig)
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