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Windows 7: Unable to rename folder


30 Jan 2010   #21

Windows 7
 
 

Who shares computers these days?? Doesn't everyone have their own computer...even kids??
Like my husband says, "Sharing a computer is like sharing underwear."

P.S. I'm 67 and my husband is 72 and we must have about 7 working computers in the house and 3 or 4 in the attic. We even have an old laptop in the kitchen just for using Now You're Cooking for our recipes and searching myrecipes.com. Some of the computers I built myself. Of course, we have been using computers since their inception...me with a Commodore 64 and my husband with the very first Apple.


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30 Jan 2010   #22

Win-7HP, VistaHP, XP
 
 

lol
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30 Jan 2010   #23

Windows 7 Professional 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Bily View Post
Ralph:
Type cd C: and hit enter at that command prompt to get to a C:\ prompt.
Thanks for your response Bily. I tried the above command and it didn't work, nothing changed............Ralph
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30 Jan 2010   #24

Windows 7 Professional 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ralphjramirez View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Bily View Post
Ralph:
Type cd C: and hit enter at that command prompt to get to a C:\ prompt.
Thanks for your response Bily. I tried the above command and it didn't work, nothing changed............Ralph
Bily, I copied the folder to another location then deleted all the files in that original folder. I then was able to successfully rename the folder. Must have been a file being used by some software. Anyway, I am back in business.

One more question. Why is it a no-no to have your folders in the root drive? Is this something I need to change to avoid a disaster? Only my wife and I use this computer and she only uses Word and the Internet.

Thanks for all your help. Still don't know why your suggestion on changing disk didn't work.

Thanks again to all who took your valuable time to help..........Ralph
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30 Jan 2010   #25

Windows 7 Professional 64 bit
 
 
Saving image folder in root drive..........

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ralphjramirez View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ralphjramirez View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Bily View Post
Ralph:
Type cd C: and hit enter at that command prompt to get to a C:\ prompt.
Thanks for your response Bily. I tried the above command and it didn't work, nothing changed............Ralph
Bily, I copied the folder to another location then deleted all the files in that original folder. I then was able to successfully rename the folder. Must have been a file being used by some software. Anyway, I am back in business.

One more question. Why is it a no-no to have your folders in the root drive? Is this something I need to change to avoid a disaster? Only my wife and I use this computer and she only uses Word and the Internet.

Thanks for all your help. Still don't know why your suggestion on changing disk didn't work.

Thanks again to all who took your valuable time to help..........Ralph
Bily, my humble apologies. Your command does work but not when I forget to include the slash. Rereading your post and it popped right up. Thanks again.............Ralph
P.S. Any info you can give me relative to saving my image folder in the root drive being a no-no will be appreciated..........
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31 Jan 2010   #26

Windows 7 Enterprise (x64); Windows Server 2008 R2 (x64)
 
 

@ralphjramirez: I was looking for a several articles I read back when Windows NT was becoming a popular OS, but I could not find them. I will do my best to share what Microsoft had in mind when they created Windows NT and how the file system would work. Windows NT was the first OS that did not have DOS as the underlying OS for the GUI. Windows NT is an all-in-one OS no DOS.

DOS had a lot of limitations one of which was a limitation on how many files or folders you could have off the ROOT of C:/ This problem carried over in to Windows for Workgroups 3.11 and influenced the development of Windows 95. Microsoft created a C:/Program Files folder to install all programs into. This change was to stop people from installing software on the ROOT of C:/ and avoid the file and folder limitation of ROOT of C:/ They also created special folders for the OS and for system files etc. The other reason they did this was to provide some organization to the hierarchy of the file system. This also helped because Microsoft started the move from .CFG, .SYS and .INI files for keeping configuration settings and move them to the Registry. Windows 95 became a hybrid OS booting with DOS in 16bit and running Windows in a sort of 32bit mode. Since the underlying OS was DOS and DOS has a limitation on how many files can be on the ROOT of C:/ moving everything off the ROOT of C:/ helped people with the problem of filling up the ROOT of C:/ and then having some very strange problems. Plus with the Internet in its infancy many could not figure out why things were not working. (Sorry trying to keep it short). Now on to Windows NT the predecessor to Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows Vista and Windows 7. Microsoft had already established the C:/Program Files and special folders for the OS and System files so they just kept up with the theme; however a new part of Windows NT was security. Now you could control what could be read or executed or saved etc. etc. Microsoft took a long time to work out how permission would be set and one of them was that a standard user would NOT have full access to the ROOT of C:/ and that software would be installed in C:/Program Files so standard users would get the correct permissions to use the software. (Note: This did not go as planned, so we have many other issues with this, because programmers did not and still DO NOT follow the Microsoft Programming rules. That is a whole other topic I will not get into here.). This brings us to why you don’t want to save files or make folders off the ROOT of C:/ If you want to install a program it goes into C:/Program Files, if you want to store data it goes into C:/Documents and Settings (before Windows 7) and C:/Users/<username>/Documents (Windows 7). If you want to store any data any way you want then you can use a D:/, USB drive etc. and save/create anything anyway you want.

So the biggest problems you will have saving off the ROOT of C:/ is permissions. You may also have problems because of sloppy programming expecting software to be in C:/Program Files. Your folder renaming issue may have been part of this as well.

Please Note: That is just the basics of how all this works it is written here to be extremely brief.

I hope that helps.
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31 Jan 2010   #27

Windows 7 Enterprise (x64); Windows Server 2008 R2 (x64)
 
 

@Bily: I have 1 Server and 6 workstations in my house all on a Domain. All workstations are universal (meaning anyone can use any computer all data and settings are stored on the server). We use Windows 7 on the workstations and share all the computers. This way you can be in the Office working on something, or you can be in the living room working on something, or any of the bedrooms working on something. Many times there are assignments from school to watch the News for current events and write something about what is going on so my kids will use the machine in the living room to type in topics while watching the news. I maybe using the same computer to edit video or DVR something or setting up videos to watch from the workstation to the HD TV or maybe I am working on something for work that requires audio so I am not in the Office because my wife doesn’t want the noise. And the list goes on and on and on.

As you can see we share computers a lot. If one is busy you can always go to another room and use another.
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31 Jan 2010   #28

Windows 7
 
 

@ralphjramirez
Despite having used computers for many years, I have never understood how to solve permission, networking, and email problems.
I have my latest pictures in a folder on my C Drive root and have created many folders on the C Drive root. I even installed Opera browser in the root of C on the advice of the Opera forum, because installing it in the Program Files folder causes problems (Microsoft HATES Opera for some reason and likes to make life difficult for them). To "share" folders in the Program Files folder is very difficult (for security reasons??) so that is another reason I often install programs to the root in Windows 7 so I can sync the data in the program's folder over my network to another computer.
I just don't think the way Microsoft "thinks"...never have. The most intuitive OS for me was OS 2 - the old IBM OS. That was so easy and understandable to use. Everything was done from the desktop, creating work folders, grouping tasks together. It was great. There was little or no contact with an "explorer" type structure. I just don't understand the "Documents and Settings" setup of Microsoft - it's just not intuitive to me at all. Libraries are a little better but still too complicated.
@WindowsStar
I am jealous of your very sharing and open family. My husband won't even let me touch his computer.
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31 Jan 2010   #29

Windows 7 Professional 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Bily View Post
@ralphjramirez
Despite having used computers for many years, I have never understood how to solve permission, networking, and email problems.
I have my latest pictures in a folder on my C Drive root and have created many folders on the C Drive root. I even installed Opera browser in the root of C on the advice of the Opera forum, because installing it in the Program Files folder causes problems (Microsoft HATES Opera for some reason and likes to make life difficult for them). To "share" folders in the Program Files folder is very difficult (for security reasons??) so that is another reason I often install programs to the root in Windows 7 so I can sync the data in the program's folder over my network to another computer.
I just don't think the way Microsoft "thinks"...never have. The most intuitive OS for me was OS 2 - the old IBM OS. That was so easy and understandable to use. Everything was done from the desktop, creating work folders, grouping tasks together. It was great. There was little or no contact with an "explorer" type structure. I just don't understand the "Documents and Settings" setup of Microsoft - it's just not intuitive to me at all. Libraries are a little better but still too complicated.
@WindowsStar
I am jealous of your very sharing and open family. My husband won't even let me touch his computer.
Thank you Bily, I appreciate your comments. I am easily confused on why Microsoft does what it does because I don't really understand the technology very well. I had never heard of permissions until WindowStar mentioned it. Today I received a very detailed reply from WindowStar as to why the C:/ root drive shouldn't be used the way I have done and why Microsoft does what it does. I haven't replied to WindowStar yet but will do so later on today. I want to really study his comments and see how to make necessary corrections. You will find his reply very enlightening, at least to me.

Again thanks for your comments and I am going to make sure my wife reads your comments about the sharing. She hates computers but can't live without one, if that makes sense.

Best regards..................Ralph
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31 Jan 2010   #30

W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE
 
 

Bily,

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I even installed Opera browser in the root of C on the advice of the Opera forum, because installing it in the Program Files folder causes problems
This makes me very curious, because I have used Opera for years, and have always installed it in a nested folder in Program Files (86). It works very well for me, but that doesn't mean that there are never any problems. What kind of problems are you referring to?

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My husband won't even let me touch his computer.
Sounds as though you have a very wise husband.
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