| Windows 7: will removing documents really remove them - hardrive? |
05 Feb 2010
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#1 | | windows 7 home premium - 32 bit |
will removing documents really remove them - hardrive? if my work is intellectual property sensitive and I need my computer serviced by a tech, will removing files and text documents manually from the folders on the computer onto a flashdrive completely remove them? or will they be still somewhere on the hardrive? ( microsoft word 2007 / openoffice writer ) | My System Specs |
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05 Feb 2010
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#3 | | windows 7 home premium - 32 bit |
thats not the question/answer I was presenting...I asked if I removed material normally stored in windows explorer on my computer - moved to a flashdrive will that COMPLETELY REMOVE it or would it still be on the hardrive in some way as a memory or echo? ( I have never deleted anything that was vital or important knowing it could be lost in the deeper recesses of the hardrive ). in other words... if I DO ANYTHING on my computer ( typing / text documents ) will there always be a way for it to be on the hardrive in some way no matter what I move around? | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HP pavilion dv9000 OS windows 7 home premium - 32 bit CPU AMD Turion 64x2 mobile technology TL-58 1.90 GH Memory 2.00 GB Graphics Card NVIDIA nforce PCI system management Sound Card conexant high definition smartaudio HD2 Monitor(s) Displays generic pnp monitor Screen Resolution 1440 x 900 Keyboard HID keyboard device - standard PS/2 keyboard Mouse none PSU HP A/C adaptor HP PPP012 H-S wide range input 1-240V 90 watt Case plastic Cooling none Hard Drives toshiba MK 1637 GSx ATA device Internet Speed extreme high speed Other Info ACPIx86 based PC |
05 Feb 2010
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#4 | | Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8 Florida in winter, Black Forest/Germany |
No, they can be easily retrieved. If you delete (remove or move) a file, the space it occupies will be marked as available in the MFT (master file table). But the data will stay put where it was. There are many programs with which you can easily retrieve that data - provided nothing was written over that same space by some new file or whatever (and even then). You have to "wipe" your disk to get a complete removal. There are programs that can do that - even military strength. Here is an article that might be of interest. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HP, Dell, Gateway, Toshiba - 4 laptops and 2 desktops OS Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8 CPU from 1.6GHz Duo to i7 Monitor(s) Displays 2x HP w2207 Keyboard with trackball - no mices Mouse Trackball mice Hard Drives 5x HDD, 7x SSD, 12x Externals Internet Speed DSL 6000 |
05 Feb 2010
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i was helping a friend's uncle who was a lawyer once, he wouldn't trust me with his machine to resolve a boot up problem. another word, the friend trust me, but the uncle doesn't. so best thing to do is to find someone that "you" trust to work on your computer. if the tech/thief wants to get your data, he/she will.
once you close a document, a temporary file tthat's associated to the original file is also deleted. where does it go??? that i don't know. to really wipe out a drive, you'll need to format it several times, so that mean your single file that you delete/move to flash drive, still has traces on the original drive. make sense? uhh..i'm not sure, i'm asking myself that.
but overall, if you have confidnetial sensitive document, don't trust franchise or large companies without signing a contract. | My System Specs | | |
05 Feb 2010
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#6 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 + x86 + Windows 8 x64 Newport, South Wales, UK |
The security of file deletion and the ability to recover said information is basically one of cost - both the value of the information and the amount of resources you wish to commit to the recovery.
The more the value of the information the more resources will be available to obtain it.
for most cases the secure deletion methods available to the public will be sufficient to delete the file beyond any normal means for recovery.
However the software and techniques available to law enforcement agencies means that to truly safeguard information even multiple formats are not enough and physical destruction of the drive itself is the only sure way | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Real World Computing (Me + a little help from Acer) OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 + x86 + Windows 8 x64 CPU AMD Phenom II X6 1035T 2.6 GHz Motherboard Aspire M3400 Memory 4Gb PC10600 DDR3 1333 MHz Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce 315 512MB Sound Card OnBoard - Realtek High Definition Audio Monitor(s) Displays Philips 32" HDTV, (HDMI) + 26" TV (VGA) Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 @60Hz + 1360 x 768 @60Hz Keyboard Microsoft Wireless 800 or Stock Acer, (depends where I sit) Mouse Microsoft Wireless 800 or Stock Acer, (depends where I sit) PSU Stock (400W) Case Acer M3400 Cooling Stock Hard Drives 500 GB Seagate ST3500418AS SATA II
1 TB Hitachi HDS5C1010CLA382 SATAII
1 TB Samsung Spinpoint F1 HD103SI SATA II (external)
Plus various other (client ) HDDs as needed Internet Speed Temporaray 3G Dongle Antivirus Avast Browser Chrome Other Info USB Capture + Webcam(s) Bamboo Digitizer tablet
Also run Acer AspireOne 530h Netbook, Dual Core Atom + 1GB (Win7 Ult x86) Plus various test systems for new projects |
05 Feb 2010
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#7 | | windows 7 home premium - 32 bit |
sounds like its best to just let a computer go to valhalla and recycle it than take the chance...I cant afford to wipe my disc completely just to have it serviced, or else how is the tech guy going to know whats wrong if he/she cant access the last most frequent error reports / line useages in the system? | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HP pavilion dv9000 OS windows 7 home premium - 32 bit CPU AMD Turion 64x2 mobile technology TL-58 1.90 GH Memory 2.00 GB Graphics Card NVIDIA nforce PCI system management Sound Card conexant high definition smartaudio HD2 Monitor(s) Displays generic pnp monitor Screen Resolution 1440 x 900 Keyboard HID keyboard device - standard PS/2 keyboard Mouse none PSU HP A/C adaptor HP PPP012 H-S wide range input 1-240V 90 watt Case plastic Cooling none Hard Drives toshiba MK 1637 GSx ATA device Internet Speed extreme high speed Other Info ACPIx86 based PC |
05 Feb 2010
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Quote: Originally Posted by Barman58 The security of file deletion and the ability to recover said information is basically one of cost - both the value of the information and the amount of resources you wish to commit to the recovery.
The more the value of the information the more resources will be available to obtain it.
for most cases the secure deletion methods available to the public will be sufficient to delete the file beyond any normal means for recovery.
However the software and techniques available to law enforcement agencies means that to truly safeguard information even multiple formats are not enough and physical destruction of the drive itself is the only sure way A secure format is more than enough to thwart even law enforcement. Even law enforcement cannot overcome the laws of physics. Another idea the OP can do is use NTFS encryption. Only the user who actually encrypted the file can decrypt the file. Not even an admin is capable of unencrypting the file. | My System Specs | | |
05 Feb 2010
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#9 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 + x86 + Windows 8 x64 Newport, South Wales, UK |
It is as I said - a question of value and the amount of time that the information is worth spending to recover it.
A reputable service technician or company should not have the desire or even the time to go snooping after your data. At the end of the day only you can determine what chances you are willing to take with the security of your data in the hands of the technician.
There are quite a few commercial areas where failed drives are destroyed rather than repaired due to the sensitive nature of their contents. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Real World Computing (Me + a little help from Acer) OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 + x86 + Windows 8 x64 CPU AMD Phenom II X6 1035T 2.6 GHz Motherboard Aspire M3400 Memory 4Gb PC10600 DDR3 1333 MHz Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce 315 512MB Sound Card OnBoard - Realtek High Definition Audio Monitor(s) Displays Philips 32" HDTV, (HDMI) + 26" TV (VGA) Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 @60Hz + 1360 x 768 @60Hz Keyboard Microsoft Wireless 800 or Stock Acer, (depends where I sit) Mouse Microsoft Wireless 800 or Stock Acer, (depends where I sit) PSU Stock (400W) Case Acer M3400 Cooling Stock Hard Drives 500 GB Seagate ST3500418AS SATA II
1 TB Hitachi HDS5C1010CLA382 SATAII
1 TB Samsung Spinpoint F1 HD103SI SATA II (external)
Plus various other (client ) HDDs as needed Internet Speed Temporaray 3G Dongle Antivirus Avast Browser Chrome Other Info USB Capture + Webcam(s) Bamboo Digitizer tablet
Also run Acer AspireOne 530h Netbook, Dual Core Atom + 1GB (Win7 Ult x86) Plus various test systems for new projects |
05 Feb 2010
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shadow your tech. make sure he/she doesn't look at anything sentitive or secretly place malware on your drive or somehow copy data off it. 
Quote: Originally Posted by genxie sounds like its best to just let a computer go to valhalla and recycle it than take the chance...I cant afford to wipe my disc completely just to have it serviced, or else how is the tech guy going to know whats wrong if he/she cant access the last most frequent error reports / line useages in the system? | My System Specs | | will removing documents really remove them - hardrive? problems? All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:24 PM. | |