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25 Mar 2010
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| | Windows 7 ultimate X64 605 posts Under Da Sea |
First one to solve it wins... lol I actuallty HAD started this post as a fun way to use your powers of deduction, or past experience to solve a PC riddle of sorts. BUT, now that I'm tired..
BUT, first one wirth the right diagnosis/remedy wins all the bragging rights! 
On with it.
So someone drops off a Dell(ugh)Dimension 4400 in your lap. Says its dead. Not sure what happened but thought the GPU went out or whatever. Just keepit for parts if you want.Ok, cool.
When you crack it open, there are NO dust bunnies....anywhere. Hmmm. Odd. You also find a silly plastic vent shroud hiding a P4 processor as well as: Documentation
with the exception of only 1Gb (2x512) Crucial PC 2700 non eec SDRAM
(Tiny lil guys) and only a 20Gb barracuda ata. You think well, parts are parts and start pulling sound blaster card ethernet card, and a TINY VGA card named (or made by) 'InsideTNC' sitting in the only AGP lane. FFW:
You return later, and think " this thing looks like it should fire up", so you reinstall everything EXCEPT the cute VGA card, and memory. In the AGP slot, you put an XGI card of recent topic, and trade the mem for what you THINK is better(you need glasses, because you install 512 x2 PC 2100 that woud have run ata whopping 100Mhz. 
You remedy that,shut her up and when its trying to fire up, the case zaps you! VERY low volt. Just gets your attn. BTW it never posted....lights bells wistles, but no post. Lets replace CMOSbattery, and check PSU. OK.
try again, and ZAP. This is where we stop, pull the plug and wonder:"Now what would cause a case to hold a static charge...?" | My System Specs |
| System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom OS Windows 7 ultimate X64 CPU Core i7 870 Lynnfield Motherboard MSI P55-GD55 Memory 4GB Corsair XMS 3 1600Mhz Graphics Card GeForce 8800 GTS (for the time being) Sound Card Onboard 7.1 digital Monitor(s) Displays Dell 19" Screen Resolution 1280x1024 Keyboard Dell XPS slim Mouse Dell XPS mouse (only good product) PSU Corsair TX 650w Case Thermaltake Armour Extreme Edition Cooling Corsair H50 Hard Drives Barracuda 750Gb Internet Speed 100 Mbps +/- |
25 Mar 2010
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| | Windows 7 Enterprise 64-bit 1,132 posts Brooklyn, NY |
The motherboard is not grounded. It needs to be lifted away from the inside of the case by the use of screws, I just forgot what specific type. | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 Enterprise 64-bit CPU AMD Phenom II X4 3.0GHz Motherboard ASUS M5A97 Memory 8GB G-Skill Ripjaws DDR3 1333 Graphics Card PNY GeForce 460 GTX 1GB OC - Enthusiast Edition Sound Card VIA High Definition Audio Monitor(s) Displays Dell 19" Screen Resolution 1280x1024 Keyboard Microsoft Wireless Keyboard 2000 Mouse Microsoft Wireless Mouse 2000 PSU OCZ Fata1ty 700W Modular PSU Case ASUS Hard Drives 1TB - Primary
160GB - Secondary
250GB - External backup for important files Internet Speed 3 Mbps/768 kbps |
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That does not sound like a static charge problem. Look for any cut wires touching metal on the inside of the case. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Home built by the best! OS Windows 7 x64 CPU Intel C2D E6600 Motherboard Gigabyte EP45-DS3R Memory Patriot DDR2 2 x 2GB 4-4-4-12 timings Graphics Card Sapphire 4830 Sound Card Auzentech Meridian Monitor(s) Displays Dell Ultrasharp 2709W Screen Resolution 1920 x 1200 Keyboard Logitech Cordless LX700 Mouse Logitech MX Revolution PSU PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad 750W ATX V2.2 Case Antec Sonata II Cooling 2 x Scythe S-Flex 120mm (1200rpm) FDB Bearing Chassis Fan Hard Drives Western Digital VelociRaptor 150GB SATA 10000RPM 16MB Cache
Western Digital RE3 1TB SATAII 7200RPM 32M Buffer Internet Speed 8 mbps |
25 Mar 2010
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| | Win7 Enterprise, Win7 x86 (Ult 7600), Win7 x64 Ult 7600, TechNet RTM on AMD x64 (2.8Ghz) 8,576 posts SomeWhere in the HOT Arizona Desert ! |
Power connections, positive & negative reversed, on MB somehow | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Built them myself, Science Experiments ! OS Win7 Enterprise, Win7 x86 (Ult 7600), Win7 x64 Ult 7600, TechNet RTM on AMD x64 (2.8Ghz) CPU AMD fx8350 4ghz, AMD-32 2400mhz, AMD-64 3200mhz, AMDx64 2.8G Motherboard SIS 755, ECS-K8M890M-M (Ult 7600), GigaByte & others Memory 2gb, 4gb on the Ult 7600, 4gb on Technet RTM, 32gb on FX8350 Graphics Card Draw my own Graphics, several nVidia cards Sound Card on motherboard Monitor(s) Displays 19" flat scr, 28" I-Inc widescr,22" Emprex Widescr, 23" Acer Screen Resolution 1280 x 1024, 1440 x 900, 1920 x 1080 Keyboard Compaq & Dell recycled from GoodWill Mouse Made in China Optical Wired Mouse PSU 430w, 550w, 600w, 700, 800, etc Case All Generic Full Towers Cooling Open Air & a few fans, some w/ colored LEDs Hard Drives 6 pata Ide HD's & 2 Sata HD's
added 80gb external on Ult 7600 computer,
numerous extra 1tb, 2TB, 3Tb SATA HD's
A collection of ext HD Docks w/ HDs Internet Speed Fast Cable InterNet Antivirus AVG Free on 24 different Desktops, NO Problems! Browser IE 8 is preferred, but use FireFox sometimes Other Info Linksys Routers, switches, & Hubs
Too Many USB Flash Drives to count, Biggest is 64GB !
Eight computers in my home network.
Sixteen computers at my business network.
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Lots of old used spare computer parts everywhere! |
25 Mar 2010
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| | Win 7 Ultimate 32bit 1,418 posts |
That would be a first thought.....
But, was this on battery or A/C Adapter? Or Both?
Try a different A/C Adapter. If it does the same with both A/C and Battery then yes,, possibly Motherboard is not grounded or wires crimped, stripped, etc. in the case.
But if the A/C adapter is bad and pushing too much juice,, could do the same,, but you might think it would fry the mobo or other stuff first, But not always.
Electricity does some crazy shtuff. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Self Built OS Win 7 Ultimate 32bit CPU C2D E6600 2.4Ghz Motherboard Intel D965WH Memory 4G Kingston KHX5400D2 Graphics Card EVGA GTX 570 HD SC (012-P3-1573-KR) Sound Card On-Board Monitor(s) Displays Samsung 226BW Screen Resolution 1680 x 1050 PSU Corsair TX750W Case In-Win C589 Cooling Stock Intel Cooling Hard Drives 2 x 250 Seagate Barracuda
2 x 500 Seagate Barracuda (Raid1) |
25 Mar 2010
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| | Windows 7 ultimate X64 605 posts Under Da Sea |

Quote: Originally Posted by Tepid That would be a first thought.....
But, was this on battery or A/C Adapter? Or Both?
Try a different A/C Adapter. If it does the same with both A/C and Battery then yes,, possibly Motherboard is not grounded or wires crimped, stripped, etc. in the case.
But if the A/C adapter is bad and pushing too much juice,, could do the same,, but you might think it would fry the mobo or other stuff first, But not always.
Electricity does some crazy shtuff. my apologies, this is a desktop. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom OS Windows 7 ultimate X64 CPU Core i7 870 Lynnfield Motherboard MSI P55-GD55 Memory 4GB Corsair XMS 3 1600Mhz Graphics Card GeForce 8800 GTS (for the time being) Sound Card Onboard 7.1 digital Monitor(s) Displays Dell 19" Screen Resolution 1280x1024 Keyboard Dell XPS slim Mouse Dell XPS mouse (only good product) PSU Corsair TX 650w Case Thermaltake Armour Extreme Edition Cooling Corsair H50 Hard Drives Barracuda 750Gb Internet Speed 100 Mbps +/- |
25 Mar 2010
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| | Windows 7 ultimate 64 bit / XP Home sp3 4,649 posts Gulf Coast Texas |
I'm going with Fred on this one i'll just add something is obviously not grounded. I'd frist check the PSU cable and make sure it has all 3 prongs on it and is plugged into a 3 prong wall outlet or better yet a surge protector.Would make sure the MB stand offs are of the right size and nothing on the back of the MB is touching the case.Also make sure their are no bare wires coming from the PSU touching the case. Just a couple of places to start looking. Fabe | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Self Built OS Windows 7 ultimate 64 bit / XP Home sp3 CPU intel Core 2 Duo E8400 3.0ghz Motherboard Asus P5ND bios 1401 Memory 8 gigs 1066 OCZ Fata1ty Graphics Card EVGA GTX 580 Call of Duty Black Ops Edition Sound Card Creative Soundblaster Audigy 2zs Monitor(s) Displays Asus 24in LCD's 2MS X2 Screen Resolution 1920x1080p @60Hz Keyboard Logitech Bluetooth Wireless MX5000 Mouse Logitech Bluetooth Wireless MX1000 PSU OCZ 700W GameXtreme Case NZXT Apollo Cooling Corsair H50 CPU/120mm x3 /60mm x2 /Corsair Dominator Ram Hard Drives WD Caviar 500 Black/ WD Caviar 200 Blue Internet Speed Download 19.83 Upload 0.97 Other Info Logitech Z2300 Speakers/ Bose Noise Cancelling Headphones/Avermedia PCI-e Hybrid TV Bravo/Epson NX415 all in one/ 4 Port Powered USB Hub/ LG 10x Bluray Burner /TSST Corp DVDRW External |
25 Mar 2010
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| | Win 7 Ultimate 32bit 1,418 posts |
AHHH HAaaa,,, well that just changes everything....
It won't necessarily be that the mobo is not grounded,, because i had a desktop do this very thing.
It would boot and you could use it, but if you moved it just a little, it would zap you then reboot.
I spent a little time on it to try and figure it out, but never did, cause it was old, I didn't want to waste my time on it.
But I was guessing, that a lead from the underside of the board was getting touched by the case when you moved it, causing a short.
In your case,, it is probably a frayed wire from the front panel, or off the PSU, a screw or something else under the motherboard causing a short, or the mobo ain't grounded properly (well, obviously), or a lead from under the board is touching the case.
I would remove the board, blow and shake out the case, check all the wires, everywhere, including all ribbon cables, for nicks or frays.
Then determine if there are any dents or low stand offs causing the board to touch. I might just replace the PSU also, just to eliminate it completely. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Self Built OS Win 7 Ultimate 32bit CPU C2D E6600 2.4Ghz Motherboard Intel D965WH Memory 4G Kingston KHX5400D2 Graphics Card EVGA GTX 570 HD SC (012-P3-1573-KR) Sound Card On-Board Monitor(s) Displays Samsung 226BW Screen Resolution 1680 x 1050 PSU Corsair TX750W Case In-Win C589 Cooling Stock Intel Cooling Hard Drives 2 x 250 Seagate Barracuda
2 x 500 Seagate Barracuda (Raid1) |
25 Mar 2010
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| | Windows 7 ultimate X64 605 posts Under Da Sea |
Hmm. It's souinding more and more like a grounding issue via the mobo....
BUT, the real culprit here...are you ready..?
Its..
Its...
Its a DELL MOMMY!
Last edited by DreemWarrior; 25 Mar 2010 at 10:38 PM..
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| My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom OS Windows 7 ultimate X64 CPU Core i7 870 Lynnfield Motherboard MSI P55-GD55 Memory 4GB Corsair XMS 3 1600Mhz Graphics Card GeForce 8800 GTS (for the time being) Sound Card Onboard 7.1 digital Monitor(s) Displays Dell 19" Screen Resolution 1280x1024 Keyboard Dell XPS slim Mouse Dell XPS mouse (only good product) PSU Corsair TX 650w Case Thermaltake Armour Extreme Edition Cooling Corsair H50 Hard Drives Barracuda 750Gb Internet Speed 100 Mbps +/- |
25 Mar 2010
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| | Windows 7 ultimate X64 605 posts Under Da Sea |
But seriously, I was thinking something HAD to be pinched or frayed as suggested due to the shoddycable management at Dell HQ. But, hey a free new rig to do something with. Probably resell being as nice a condition its in.
Cheers all! | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom OS Windows 7 ultimate X64 CPU Core i7 870 Lynnfield Motherboard MSI P55-GD55 Memory 4GB Corsair XMS 3 1600Mhz Graphics Card GeForce 8800 GTS (for the time being) Sound Card Onboard 7.1 digital Monitor(s) Displays Dell 19" Screen Resolution 1280x1024 Keyboard Dell XPS slim Mouse Dell XPS mouse (only good product) PSU Corsair TX 650w Case Thermaltake Armour Extreme Edition Cooling Corsair H50 Hard Drives Barracuda 750Gb Internet Speed 100 Mbps +/- First one to solve it wins... problems? All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:20 PM. | |