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Windows 7 - Please Microsoft - Can we get away from Drive Letters |
04-22-2009
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#1 | | W7 X-64 RTM,SUSE 11.1, XP PRO SP3 as a VM, VMware ESXi |
Please Microsoft - Can we get away from Drive Letters Hi all
Might not be a problem for a lot but I'm beginning to run out of letters for Networking disk drives on Windows systems. Once you start sharing multiple CD / DVD devices and multiple external devices (USB sticks, Ipods etc etc) and have may be 12 - 14 Virtual machines together with a decent TEST Bench set of real machines all up and running in a computer test lab this becomes a real pain.
Isn't it about time to get rid of the C:\ type nomenclenture (originated way back in the 8 bit Intel 8086 MS DOS days or even before).
Even the UNC system is pretty OK ( \\name\mount) .
I'm not sure what type of change would be needed to the file system but IMO the change is LONG LONG overdue. Why on earth we are still stuck with this system which has been around "Since Pontius was a Pilot" I can't imagine.
It really wouldn't be a major problem to be compatable with earlier systems -- you could easily have a simple internal map say references to C:\ would be replaced by \\Mountpoint whenever the I/O was requested. Overhead would be very small.
(In any case it's really time to change the NTFS system -- but that's another topic entirely which would be a bit more complex).
Cheers
jimbo | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom built OS W7 X-64 RTM,SUSE 11.1, XP PRO SP3 as a VM, VMware ESXi CPU Q9400 QUAD Motherboard P5QL-CM Memory 8GB Graphics Card On Motherborad Sound Card Realtek HD audio Monitor(s) Displays Apple Cinema display Mouse Toshiba wireless laser Hard Drives 4 X 1TB SATA Internet Speed > 20MB up |
04-22-2009
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#2 | | Windows 7 Professional 64-bit |
I do like the way linux refers to hard disks, its very logical.
You can sort of get rid of drive letters in windows explorer by unticking show drive letters in options. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number self built OS Windows 7 Professional 64-bit CPU Intel E8400 3GHz Motherboard Intel DX48BT2 Memory Kingston PC3-10700H 4Gb Graphics Card XFX Radeon HD 5850 BlackEd. Sound Card Asus Xonar DG Monitor(s) Displays 2x Samsung SM-T220HD 22" Screen Resolution 1680x1050 on two monitors Keyboard Microsoft Comfort Curve USB Mouse Razer Diamondback 3G PSU Thermaltake ToughPower 850w Case Thermaltake Armor Cooling Scythe Mugen II Hard Drives OCZ Vertex 2 120gb 3.5" (OS)
Seagate Momentus XT 500gb
Samsung F3 1Tb (games)
2x Samsung F1 1Tb Internet Speed 8128/443 |
04-22-2009
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#3 | | Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit |
Oh my Lord in heaven! It's been there for years and NOBODY USES IT! | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number baarod/MCP OS Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit CPU Core2 Quad Q6600 @ 3.6GHz 9x400FSB Motherboard Gigabyte G33M-S2H Memory 4GB DDR2 1066 Graphics Card ATI Radeon HD 4670 Sound Card Integrated Azalia Monitor(s) Displays Acer AL1711 Screen Resolution 1280x1024 Keyboard Microsoft Wireless Comfort Keyboard 4000 Mouse Microsoft Wireless Lasr Mouse 5000 PSU 240W TFX Case InWin BT566 Cooling Intel Retail Stock Hard Drives OCZ Vertex SATAII w/ 1.5FW 30,528MB system and apps
Maxtor 6L300R0 PATA 286,188MB page file, data and user profiles Internet Speed 3Mbps Verizon DSL over 802.11g Other Info Hauppauge WinTV PVR II Tuner, Generic $13 SoC Webcam, RT61 WiFi with remote antenna, Media Center Remote and Receiver |
04-22-2009
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#4 | | Vista Ultimate SP2/Windows 7 Ultimate SP1/x64/XP SP3 x86 in VM |
Some of us like things the way they are. I certainly don't want great long words instead of letters thanks very much. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Alienware® ALX X58 OS Vista Ultimate SP2/Windows 7 Ultimate SP1/x64/XP SP3 x86 in VM CPU Intel® Core™ i7-975 Extreme O/C to 4.02 GHz, 8MB Cache Motherboard Asus® P6T Deluxe V2 X58 LGA1366 Memory 12GB DDR3 SDRAM at 1600MHz - 6 x 2048MB Graphics Card 1792 MB NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 295/Hauppauge HVR2250 TV Tuner Sound Card Onboard Soundmax® High-Definition 7.1 Performance Audio Monitor(s) Displays Samsung XL2370 LED backlit 23" W/S 2ms response time Screen Resolution 1920 X 1080 Keyboard Microsoft® Wireless Entertainment 8000 + Logitech® G15 Wired Mouse Microsoft® Wireless Laser 8000 + Logitech® G9 Wired PSU Alienware® 1200 Watt Multi-GPU Case Alienware® P2 ALX Chassis with AlienIce™ 3.0 Video Cooling Cooling Alienware® High-Perf. Liquid Cooling + Acoustic Dampening Hard Drives 2 x 500gb SATA II
1 x 1TB SATA II
1 external eSATA LaCie 1TB
(Non-RAID) Internet Speed 28mbps Other Info Using non-RAID on purpose as I find RAID to be too temperamental.
I've noticed no difference since switching. |
04-22-2009
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#5 | | Win 7 Pro x64, VM Win XP, Win7 Pro Sandbox, Kubuntu 11 |
I can see your point given the amount of stuff you have going, but have to agree with Ex-Brit. The Alpha system still seems to be the simple way to go. Been using it since the advent of d. . 1.0. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HP Pavilion a4302f OS Win 7 Pro x64, VM Win XP, Win7 Pro Sandbox, Kubuntu 11 CPU AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 640 @ 3.0 Gbz Memory 12GB 1066MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2x4GB, 2x2GB Graphics Card ATI Radeon HD 4350 HD Graphics/Audio with 512MB Sound Card Realtek High Definition Audio Monitor(s) Displays 1. Dell 23" SP2307, 2. Mitsublishi 40" HDTV, Hannspree 25" Screen Resolution 1. 2048x1152, 2. 1920-1080, 3. 1920x1200 Keyboard Microsoft Wireless 2000 Mouse Microsoft Wireless Mouse 5000 Case Mid Tower Cooling Standard Fans - 5 fans (very quiet) Hard Drives Int: 1 120 Gig SSD i
1 - 2.5" 500 USB External HDD
1 -1 Tb USB External HDD Internet Speed 10 Mbit (realistically 500 Kbit - 1.2 Mbit) Other Info Speakers - Bose Desktop (Excellent Sound)
1 external CD|DVD\Blue-ray Recorders/Players (Sony) |
04-22-2009
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#6 | | Vista Ultimate SP2/Windows 7 Ultimate SP1/x64/XP SP3 x86 in VM |
Plus we can rename drives anyway. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Alienware® ALX X58 OS Vista Ultimate SP2/Windows 7 Ultimate SP1/x64/XP SP3 x86 in VM CPU Intel® Core™ i7-975 Extreme O/C to 4.02 GHz, 8MB Cache Motherboard Asus® P6T Deluxe V2 X58 LGA1366 Memory 12GB DDR3 SDRAM at 1600MHz - 6 x 2048MB Graphics Card 1792 MB NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 295/Hauppauge HVR2250 TV Tuner Sound Card Onboard Soundmax® High-Definition 7.1 Performance Audio Monitor(s) Displays Samsung XL2370 LED backlit 23" W/S 2ms response time Screen Resolution 1920 X 1080 Keyboard Microsoft® Wireless Entertainment 8000 + Logitech® G15 Wired Mouse Microsoft® Wireless Laser 8000 + Logitech® G9 Wired PSU Alienware® 1200 Watt Multi-GPU Case Alienware® P2 ALX Chassis with AlienIce™ 3.0 Video Cooling Cooling Alienware® High-Perf. Liquid Cooling + Acoustic Dampening Hard Drives 2 x 500gb SATA II
1 x 1TB SATA II
1 external eSATA LaCie 1TB
(Non-RAID) Internet Speed 28mbps Other Info Using non-RAID on purpose as I find RAID to be too temperamental.
I've noticed no difference since switching. |
04-22-2009
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#7 | | |
Over the years, I have used that technique to eliminate drive letters. It has one disadvantage, however. When you look to see how much free space there is, the drives that are mounted in folders are not reported. That may have changed since I haven't used it in Vista or Windows 7.
Bye. 
Quote: Originally Posted by baarod Oh my Lord in heaven! It's been there for years and NOBODY USES IT! | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Home Brew OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 CPU i7 970 Motherboard ASUS Rampage III GENE Memory 9 GB Graphics Card 9600GT Monitor(s) Displays dual 24" Samsung Screen Resolution 1920x1200 PSU Thermaltake toughpower W0104RU 650W Case Thermaltake LANBOX Lite Hard Drives VelociRaptor and 4TB of Hitachi RAID 0 Internet Speed 30 Mbps Download 1 Mbps Upload (Speedtest.com) |
04-22-2009
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umm... aa: bb: cc: xx: yy: zz: ? | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number CUSTOM OS XP/win7 x86 build 7127 CPU Athlon64 X2 DUAL 4200+ 2.21ghz Motherboard ASUS K8 PRO SLI Memory 2GB Dual Chan DDR2 Corsair Graphics Card Nvidia 6800GT Sound Card nvidia Monitor(s) Displays 19' LCD Screen Resolution 1280x1024 Keyboard MS wireless Mouse MS Wireless PSU coolermaster 450 Case SUPERFLOWER Cooling 1 HDD bay fan, 5x80mm Case Fans, AEROGATE II Fan/Temp Hard Drives WD 250, 2x500, 2x1TB IDE/USB
WD 250 SATA (system)
SEAGATE 120 Sata Internet Speed fassssssssst |
04-23-2009
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#9 | | W7 X-64 RTM,SUSE 11.1, XP PRO SP3 as a VM, VMware ESXi |
Hi all
Even if you do this there's a limit to the number of Partitions (Disks) you can connect.
After 13 it just refuses to show any more disks -- since when you ADD one it will try and assign a letter anyway even changing the explorer option.
("13" in this case because 12 other devices are already allocated - Card reader - 7 devices - MULTI card reader considers each slot as a device, Floppy drive (although not used for years), 4 DVD devices.
maybe now is the time to consider "Stand alone" Network drives -- it works for printers and some "Multi-media" drives - this would also make the motherboards much simpler and sharing would also be easier as you wouldn't have to have the Host computer running.
Network throoughput would need to be improved however.
Cheers
jimbo | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom built OS W7 X-64 RTM,SUSE 11.1, XP PRO SP3 as a VM, VMware ESXi CPU Q9400 QUAD Motherboard P5QL-CM Memory 8GB Graphics Card On Motherborad Sound Card Realtek HD audio Monitor(s) Displays Apple Cinema display Mouse Toshiba wireless laser Hard Drives 4 X 1TB SATA Internet Speed > 20MB up |
04-23-2009
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#10 | | |

Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 Hi all
Even if you do this there's a limit to the number of Partitions (Disks) you can connect.
After 13 it just refuses to show any more disks -- since when you ADD one it will try and assign a letter anyway even changing the explorer option.
("13" in this case because 12 other devices are already allocated - Card reader - 7 devices - MULTI card reader considers each slot as a device, Floppy drive (although not used for years), 4 DVD devices.
maybe now is the time to consider "Stand alone" Network drives -- it works for printers and some "Multi-media" drives - this would also make the motherboards much simpler and sharing would also be easier as you wouldn't have to have the Host computer running.
Network throoughput would need to be improved however.
Cheers
jimbo Are you talking about running out of IRQ's? and also locally or networked "13"? I used to have this rig hosting everything on the network jim, have had well over "13" connected if you count optical drives, floppy, card reader etc.
I have now setup the network like you have mentioned, stand-alone network drives, on a network usb hub... just on that hub i can have up to 16 devices plugged into that, which like i said, was plugged into this rig. Only 1 device, printer/scanner/copier, was not a drive.
As far as thoroughput or feasability.... its pretty good. I did just for the simple task of softening the load on the primary host rig. The only down side to doing the network this way is that only 1 user at a time can have access to a particular drive. Another user can then "request" the use of the drive. So if i am listening to my music drive, no one else on the network can listen to or use the music drive while i'm listening/using it. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number CUSTOM OS XP/win7 x86 build 7127 CPU Athlon64 X2 DUAL 4200+ 2.21ghz Motherboard ASUS K8 PRO SLI Memory 2GB Dual Chan DDR2 Corsair Graphics Card Nvidia 6800GT Sound Card nvidia Monitor(s) Displays 19' LCD Screen Resolution 1280x1024 Keyboard MS wireless Mouse MS Wireless PSU coolermaster 450 Case SUPERFLOWER Cooling 1 HDD bay fan, 5x80mm Case Fans, AEROGATE II Fan/Temp Hard Drives WD 250, 2x500, 2x1TB IDE/USB
WD 250 SATA (system)
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