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04-26-2010
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hard drive sizing rort I don't know about you guys, but I build computers pretty frequently, and it really irritates me that consumers do not get what they pay for with regards to HDDs and their capacity.
I remember working for years to build my first PC - and the HDD was 320gb, and I was super excited. Although, on completing construction of this monster of the day, I realised the capacity of my HDD was in fact closer to 299gb, and I wondered... Why?
I made some calls and did some reading and I did not like what I found.
We all know (or should know) that computers are built on binary data (1s and 0s) that are organised into bits (single data) and bytes (8 data), and that octal's equivalent grouping of the decimal 1000 is 1024. Thats why a kilobyte is 1024 bytes, a megabyte is 1024 kilobytes etc.
So a 2TB HDD, in theory, should be 2048GB, right? Well... no.
Manufacturers produce HDDs on a decimal scale. KB, MB, GB and TB are made and advertised, by manufacturers, as units of 1000.
Computers continue to (And will always) group bytes in units of 1024, which means the end consumer pays for what they're not getting.
As HDDs get bigger, the difference becomes more noticable.
My 2TB HDD is, in fact, showing up in windows as 1.81TB.
So my question is, why do manufacturers get to advertise for what they're not giving you? Why is a 1.81TB HDD not advertised as such, and why is nobody doing anything about it?
| My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 x64 CPU AMD Phenom II (x4) 3.2Ghz Motherboard Gigabyte 790FXTA-UD5 Memory 4gb 1333mhz Graphics Card ATI Radeon HD 5770 Sound Card Motherboard Audio Monitor(s) Displays Benq 24" E2420HD, Benq 19" FP92W Screen Resolution 1920*1080, 1400*900 Keyboard Logitech G11 Mouse Logitech Wireless G7 PSU Antec Continuous Power 1000w Case Antec 1200 Cooling Zalman CPU Dual heatsink + Fan, Antec 1200 6 x Casefans Hard Drives Kingston 128gb v-Series SSD 3Gb/s
Seagate Barracuda 2Tb 6Gb/s SATA3 Internet Speed Woeful |
04-26-2010
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#2 | | Vista Ultimate X64/ Windows 7 Dual-boot |
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200G Seagate SATA
100G WD Caviar SATA
80G WD Caviar IDE |
04-26-2010
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#3 | | Vista SP2 HP 32-bit & Ult 64-bit W7 SP1 Pro 32-bit & 64-bit |
| My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Home Built, N/A OS Vista SP2 HP 32-bit & Ult 64-bit W7 SP1 Pro 32-bit & 64-bit CPU AMD Athlon (tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 7550 @2.5GHz Motherboard Gigabyte GA-MA770-ES3 Memory 2 x 2GB PC2-6400 (DDR2-800), Ganged Mode, (4GB total) Graphics Card Nvidia GT 430 1GB Sound Card Realtek High Definition on board solution (ALC 892) Monitor(s) Displays ViewSonic VA1912w Widescreen (VGA) Screen Resolution 1440x900 Keyboard Microsoft Digital Media Pro Keyboard (USB) Mouse Microsoft Comfort Optical Mouse 3000 (USB) PSU iCute AP-700AS Modular Cooling 2 x 80mm Front Intake 1 x 120mm Rear Exhaust Hard Drives 1 x Hitachi Deskstar HDS721010CLA332 1TB SATA II
2 x Samsung HD501LJ 500GB SATA II
2 x Samsung SP0812C 80GB SATA I
1 x Iomega 1.5TB Ext USB 2.0 Internet Speed ~4.0 Mb/sec (O2) Other Info HP Photosmart B109a Printer/Scanner/Copier (USB)
NetGear DG834Gv3 ADSL Modem/Router (Ethernet)
CTF-430 Tablet & Pen (USB)
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1 x SP0812C for Ubuntu 10.04 32-bit & 64-bit
1 x SP0812C Reserved for Windows 8 |
04-26-2010
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Here is the USA, traditional glass CRT type TV sets and video monitors were always sold with larger size specs than they were. It was quite funny to see a box for a TV that said is was 27" in the USA and 25" in Canada. That's right, the same TV was two different sizes in the two adjacent countries. Marketeers are always out to decieve the public into thinking they are getting more than they are actually getting. It doesn't seem to matter how angry people like you may get, they just want to make that sale and the next business quarter be damned!  Again, here is Southern California, gasoline is sold by the gallon. Fuel pumps are calibrated and certified by the State of California to be accurrate within a tight tolerance. However, that calibration is for when it's cool outside, which it usually isn't. So the gasoline expands and we pay more for the equivelant energy than it says on the pump, except those few days a year when it's been cold for a while.  Welcome to the real world! They are the preditors and we are the prey. Your only defense is to be well informed and try to make enough money that you can live well in spite of them.
Bye. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Home Brew OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 CPU i7 970 Motherboard ASUS Rampage III GENE Memory 9 GB Graphics Card 9600GT Monitor(s) Displays dual 24" Samsung Screen Resolution 1920x1200 PSU Thermaltake toughpower W0104RU 650W Case Thermaltake LANBOX Lite Hard Drives VelociRaptor and 4TB of Hitachi RAID 0 Internet Speed 30 Mbps Download 1 Mbps Upload (Speedtest.com) |
04-26-2010
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#5 | | Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit |

Quote: Originally Posted by Crunchy Doodle Here is the USA, traditional glass CRT type TV sets and video monitors were always sold with larger size specs than they were. It was quite funny to see a box for a TV that said is was 27" in the USA and 25" in Canada. That's right, the same TV was two different sizes in the two adjacent countries. Marketeers are always out to decieve the public into thinking they are getting more than they are actually getting. It doesn't seem to matter how angry people like you may get, they just want to make that sale and the next business quarter be damned!  Again, here is Southern California, gasoline is sold by the gallon. Fuel pumps are calibrated and certified by the State of California to be accurrate within a tight tolerance. However, that calibration is for when it's cool outside, which it usually isn't. So the gasoline expands and we pay more for the equivelant energy than it says on the pump, except those few days a year when it's been cold for a while.  Welcome to the real world! They are the preditors and we are the prey. Your only defense is to be well informed and try to make enough money that you can live well in spite of them.
Bye.  Right on target. Let the buyer beware. Good post. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Home built OS Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit CPU Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz Motherboard ASUS P4P800-VM Motherboard Chipset: Intel 865G + ICH5 Memory 2.50 GB RAM Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GS Sound Card SoundMax Integrated Digital Audio (Chip) Monitor(s) Displays ViewSonic VX 1962 wm Screen Resolution 1680 X 1050 Keyboard Microsoft Comfort Curve Keyboard 2000 v10 USB Mouse Logitec optic USB Cooling Fan based Hard Drives Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 80 GB
ST380215A ATA Device 18.6 GB
Western Digital "My Book" external hard drive 750 GB Internet Speed 3.01 Mb/s download 0.64 Mb/s upload |
04-26-2010
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#6 | | Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit |
| My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Home built OS Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit CPU Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz Motherboard ASUS P4P800-VM Motherboard Chipset: Intel 865G + ICH5 Memory 2.50 GB RAM Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GS Sound Card SoundMax Integrated Digital Audio (Chip) Monitor(s) Displays ViewSonic VX 1962 wm Screen Resolution 1680 X 1050 Keyboard Microsoft Comfort Curve Keyboard 2000 v10 USB Mouse Logitec optic USB Cooling Fan based Hard Drives Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 80 GB
ST380215A ATA Device 18.6 GB
Western Digital "My Book" external hard drive 750 GB Internet Speed 3.01 Mb/s download 0.64 Mb/s upload |
04-27-2010
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so technically, by using a decimal prefix they are, in fact, giving you what you've paid for?
what a crock.
i wonder if we'll ever get a manufacturer that adopts binary designations. i would happily pay extra to someone that plays the game honestly. | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 x64 CPU AMD Phenom II (x4) 3.2Ghz Motherboard Gigabyte 790FXTA-UD5 Memory 4gb 1333mhz Graphics Card ATI Radeon HD 5770 Sound Card Motherboard Audio Monitor(s) Displays Benq 24" E2420HD, Benq 19" FP92W Screen Resolution 1920*1080, 1400*900 Keyboard Logitech G11 Mouse Logitech Wireless G7 PSU Antec Continuous Power 1000w Case Antec 1200 Cooling Zalman CPU Dual heatsink + Fan, Antec 1200 6 x Casefans Hard Drives Kingston 128gb v-Series SSD 3Gb/s
Seagate Barracuda 2Tb 6Gb/s SATA3 Internet Speed Woeful |
04-27-2010
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Are you for real? is it going to make all that much of a difference, we now talk in TB, thats a lot of bytes. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom OS Windows 7 Premium CPU AMD Phenom 9750 Motherboard GA-MA790FX-DS5 Memory 4.00GB Graphics Card 8600gt Monitor(s) Displays Philips 190B Screen Resolution 1280x1024 PSU 620w High Power Case Raidmax Hard Drives 320 Seagate |
04-27-2010
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yes, i am for real.
for a 2TB HDD, i get 1.81 that i can use. thats 190GB. i have 128gb SSD.
you do realise i'm missing more than an entire HDD?
its no small matter - thats 10% missing. if you buy 10kg of rice, would you be happy if you only got 9? or if you bought a box of 12 cokes and you get 10 and a 3/4 bottle.
you'd take it back to the shop, right?
dont see how this is any different. i'm paying for what i'm not getting. | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 x64 CPU AMD Phenom II (x4) 3.2Ghz Motherboard Gigabyte 790FXTA-UD5 Memory 4gb 1333mhz Graphics Card ATI Radeon HD 5770 Sound Card Motherboard Audio Monitor(s) Displays Benq 24" E2420HD, Benq 19" FP92W Screen Resolution 1920*1080, 1400*900 Keyboard Logitech G11 Mouse Logitech Wireless G7 PSU Antec Continuous Power 1000w Case Antec 1200 Cooling Zalman CPU Dual heatsink + Fan, Antec 1200 6 x Casefans Hard Drives Kingston 128gb v-Series SSD 3Gb/s
Seagate Barracuda 2Tb 6Gb/s SATA3 Internet Speed Woeful |
04-27-2010
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Well, you should complain directly to the manufacturer for not using the same unit conversion as the rest of the computer industry. Isn't there a consumer protection or something for these kind of issues?
zzz2496 | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Self Built OS Windows7 Ultimate 64bit CPU Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Motherboard Abit IN9-32X-MMAX Memory DDR2 Adata 4GB Graphics Card Nvidia GeForce GTX 285 1024 and Nvidia GeForce 8800GT 512 Sound Card Asus Xonar HDAV 1.3 Monitor(s) Displays Dell 2407WFP and BenQ 2400v and Philips 150v3 Screen Resolution 3840x1200 and 1024x768 Keyboard MicrosoftNaturalKeyboard 4000/Apple Alu keyboard/Dinovo mini Mouse Logitech G5/MarbleMouseTrackball/PerformanceMX/SpacePilotPRO PSU Corsair TX 850W Case Cooler Master HAF932 Cooling Arctic Cooling Freezer Extreme and plenty of fans... Hard Drives 2 WDC 1TB
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1 WDC 640GB
1 WDC 320GB
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Logitech Z-560
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Mikrotik Router
Linksys (now Cisco) SD2008 8 port Gigabit switch
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Apple wireless Aluminium keyboard
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