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Windows 7: Win7 vs. WinXP - "Date Created" Attribute


14 May 2010   #1

Windows 7 Professional x64
 
 
Win7 vs. WinXP - "Date Created" Attribute

I have this issue that it's quite important for me.
In Windows 7 my downloaded files get different timestamps than in WinXP.

For example, let's assume that on 1.1.1970 I add a a file to eMule's download queue. eMule creates a temporary .part file, stored in "Temp" folder.
Let's assume again that the file has been completely downloaded on 2.2.2010.
The downloaded file will be saved in "Incoming" folder.

In WinXP, the downloaded file would have "2.2.2010" in the Date Created field, but in Windows 7, it would have "1.1.1970".

This would seriously mess up my files, especialy that I have thousands of sorted pictures.

Is there anything I can do about it?

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14 May 2010   #2

Windows 7 Enterprise (x64); Windows Server 2008 R2 (x64)
 
 

All the information is there it is just being displayed differently. Windows XP displays the date the file was last accessed, and Windows 7 displays the date the file was created. You can adjust what you would like Window 7 to display and get the same results. Change Windows 7 to display last accessed.
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14 May 2010   #3

Windows 7 Professional x64
 
 

No, same "Created" field, is "stamped" differently. As I said, XP puts the stamp of the completed file creation date, Windows 7 puts the stamp of the temp file creation date.

This issue is very serious, since it's not just an interpretation. I did a summary check in a VM, and it seems that, XP also shows the stamp that Windows 7 put, instead of the correct stamp.


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14 May 2010   #4

XP / Win7 x64 Pro
 
 

This is due to the differences in how the MFT tracks things in Win 7 vs XP. I think your best bet will be to find a different metadata value that maps on both systems.
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14 May 2010   #5

Windows 7 Professional x64
 
 

I need to make Windows 7 behave like XP, otherwise i'll return to XP.
What do you mean by metadata value?
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14 May 2010   #6

Windows 7 Enterprise (x64); Windows Server 2008 R2 (x64)
 
 

@Nick2

You missed completely what I was saying. You need to change how you display the information, which is the issue, Windows 7 does it differently. I had the same problem as you in the beginning with Windows 7.



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14 May 2010   #7

Windows 6.1
 
 

Hey Nick2, do the "Temp" and "Incomming" folders reside on the same disk partition for both Windows 7 and winXP?
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14 May 2010   #8

Windows 7 64 bit SP1
 
 

I don't believe there is any real difference between the OS's in this regard. More than likely, the diffrence is either in your setup, or in which versions of the app you're using.

If you're using a newer version eMule, it may be doing something different with the file creation. Or, perhaps you're setup is different with your temporary files on a different partition than your "complete" folder in xp. This would require eMule to create a new file on the "complete" folder (deleting the old temp file) when the download was finished, while when on the same partition it may simply rename the temporary file to a new location, keeping it's original creation date.

The fact is, both XP and 7 treat this the same way. When the file is created, is it's creation date. period.
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14 May 2010   #9

XP / Win7 x64 Pro
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
If you're using a newer version eMule, it may be doing something different with the file creation. Or, perhaps you're setup is different with your temporary files on a different partition than your "complete" folder in xp. This would require eMule to create a new file on the "complete" folder (deleting the old temp file) when the download was finished, while when on the same partition it may simply rename the temporary file to a new location, keeping it's original creation date.
This sounds like a more likely scenario.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
The fact is, both XP and 7 treat this the same way. When the file is created, is it's creation date. period.
This is not always true, actually. However, the explanation goes into a scope well beyond what is useful in this thread to stay on topic.

Here is a short slide to give a little insight as to what type of file modifications in Windows 7 do what:

http://blogs.sans.org/computer-foren...ntry-Times.pdf
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16 May 2010   #10

Windows 7 Professional x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Antans View Post
Hey Nick2, do the "Temp" and "Incomming" folders reside on the same disk partition for both Windows 7 and winXP?
Yes, they do.


I think I've made a mistake.
WinXP seems to act the same as Windows 7. If possible, please doublecheck, for my peace of mind.

Do you guys, know anything about Windows 7's Disk Defrag that altered timestamps?
I can't find this anymore, and I don't know whether this was an issue in Windows 7 RC versions or in the RTM version.
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