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Windows 7: "Date Modified" changes on original file when copying


10 Jun 2012   #31

Windows 7 Pro 64
 
 

My results to others questions...
Copying to another drive.
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                 Files        Folders        Shortcuts
Date Modified     unchanged    unchanged    unchanged
Date created      changed      changed      changed
Date              unchanged    changed      changed




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28 Aug 2012   #32

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by periboob View Post
My results to others questions...
Copying to another drive.
Code:
                 Files        Folders        Shortcuts
Date Modified     unchanged    unchanged    unchanged
Date created      changed      changed      changed
Date              unchanged    changed      changed
What's strange about this? What did you expect?
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28 Aug 2012   #33

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For every file on an NTFS volume, there are the following dates:
  1. File Created
  2. File Accessed
  3. File Modified
  4. MTF last written
Each of these dates are explained below:
File Created: This is the date the file was “created” on the volume. This does not change when working normally with a file, e.g. opening, closing, saving, or modifying the file.
File Accessed: This is the date the file was last accessed. An access can be a move, an open, or any other simple access. It can also be tripped by Anti-virus scanners, or Windows system processes. Therefore caution has to be used when stating a “file was last accessed by user XXX” if there is only the “File Access” date in NTFS to work from.=>feature is off by default (registry HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\FileSystem\NtfsDisableLastAccessUpdate=1)
File Modified: This date as shown by Windows there has been a change to the file itself. E.g a notepad document is has more date added to it, would trip the date it was modified.
MFT Entry Modified: A basic understanding of NTFS and the MFT is required for this section. This is date not shown by Windows Explorer or the average windows interace, but requires forensic tools , e.g EnCase, FTK, iLook, WinHex, etc. This date shows when the MFT entry, which points to the file of concern, was changed. This means that if the record that points to the file is changed, then this date would trip. As all the dates, file name, file sizes are stored in the MFT, if any of those are changed then the date will change. For example, if the file size changes then the MFT Entry modified date is changed. If the file name is changed, than the MFT entry modified is changed
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16 Aug 2013   #34

Windows 7 Professional x64
 
 

I experience this issue intermittently, and NOT just when different hard drives are involved, and it is a HUGE bug in Windows 7 that has never been fixed. The problem is that the issue is so intermittent and probably not reproducible by most users on demand. It is frustrating, although somewhat understandable, to see responders assume the user has mistaken "modification date" for "creation" or other dates.

For example, today I was sorting photos into directories, and noticed that a couple of photos had mysteriously changed MODIFIED dates. A few minutes later, investigating another folder, I moved all files in
C:\photos\2011-04-21 - 25 PC Beach\346CANON
to
C:\photos\2011-04-21 - 25 PC Beach
and immediately afterward, I noticed that the first few files had changed MODIFIED dates to the current date & time. I attempted to UNDO, which moved the files back; however, the dates remained changed, so I went back to the EDIT - UNDO menu, and let it move the files again. Afterward, it appeared close to half of the files dates had been changed, but the rest were not changed. Now hours later as I write this, I've just discovered that ALL the files dates have now been changed.
By all, I mean all the jpg's AND all the .mov movie files. Oddly enough, the .thm (movie thumbnail) files are the only files which did not get the modified date changed.

I realize I can probably recover most of the jpg date & times by using the "Date Taken On" Date, but the .mov files have no such date, and therefore their true original date & time is now lost to me forever.

(I use no antivirus -- I simply let Microsoft scan occasionally when I install Windows Updates, and I also occasionally scan manually with MalwareBytes. Neither have found any problems.)

Someone please solve this terrible bug!!

Thanks,
hallwal

PS: I believe I pressed Ctrl-A to select all, followed by Ctrl-X and finally Ctrl-V in the destination folder. Sometimes I right click and choose Paste instead. I do not remember for sure which I did here but I will try to notice the next time it happens.

PPS: I have recreated the problem, using keyboard shortcuts as above, and a new folder. Also, I tried COPYING a couple of files, which resulted in retaining the modified dates. I then changed the filenames slightly of the original files in the original folder, and after verifying that the name change had caused no date changes, I MOVED them, which then resulted in resetting the modified date.
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07 Mar 2014   #35

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
 
 

I know that this thread is pretty old, but since it's still an issue with Windows 7 and this thread showed up pretty high in my Google search when looking for a fix I thought I'd share a link to an awesome (and free :-)) Microsoft Utility I found called RichCopy that both resolves this issue and makes it so much easier to copy large numbers of files/folders

Here's a link to the article about it in Microsoft's TechNet Magazine which describes the tool, and has a link to download it as well: Free Utility: RichCopy, an Advanced Alternative to RoboCopy
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07 Mar 2014   #36

W7 Pro SP1 64bit
 
 

Welcome to the Seven Forums, ChayaCooper.

Thanks for posting your findings and the link.
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07 Mar 2014   #37

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
 
 

Thanks @UsernameIssues
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07 Mar 2014   #38

Windows 7 Pro x64 (1), Win7 Pro X64 / WinXP Pro x86 on (2)
 
 

I've not ever noticed this, but then I almost never use Explorer to manipulate/copy/move folders and files.

I know there are probably many alternatives to Explorer, but the one-and-only that I've used for many years is Free Commander. This GUI from this program has an intuitive 2-pane or 4-pane Explorer-like but "readable tabular/linear" presentation, where any pane can be the source and any other pane can be the target.

File manipulations using Free Commander do not exhibit the stated symptom, and in fact the copied file does not pick up a new modified date but rather retains the modified date of the original file... as you'd want. In other words COPY is a true COPY, including the original file system entry. Only the "A" attribute byte gets turned on in the copy target... as you'd expect. And of course the "create date" and "last access" dates for the copy are current... as you'd expect.

But the original file's "last modified" date is retained in the copy, and the original file has NO changes whatsoever.
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16 Apr 2014   #39

WinXP/ Win7x64/ Mac OSX Snow Leopard - Multi Boot
 
 

I'd always wanted to be able to MOVE files & folders between different HDDs and Partitions without the C & M dates changing. It's crucial for me to have those dates for HISTORICAL tracking / REMEMBERING purpose.
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16 Apr 2014   #40

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by crashnbuen View Post
I'd always wanted to be able to MOVE files & folders between different HDDs and Partitions without the C & M dates changing. It's crucial for me to have those dates for HISTORICAL tracking / REMEMBERING purpose.
Use ROBOCOPY for that
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