| Windows 7: Windows 7 Beta FAST, 7 RC SLOW |
13 May 2009
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#11 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64. Ellesmere Port, UK. |

Quote: Originally Posted by Digger start menu i see no change. are we talking 2 ms here? are you trying to load a start menu loaded with installed programs from the beta, and a pretty much clean install with not a 3+months use of registry entries and installed/uinstalled programs? You then would see a problem, or an improvement in performance, of course.
I can validate that the search has been worked on under the hood. Not just does or would this affect a start menu, but it affects the loading of multiple files in one folder faster than the 7000, take for example wallpaper, or my pictures library, or a huge music library. Whether the library includes local internal or external drives/folders or also networked indexed locations... it all loads faster, that i wont contest.
As far as ram usuage, actually, i see this as a decrease compared with my application ridden beta system compared against a 50% worth of the same apps that i have installed so far, and notice the ram usuage is horrible. All the same programs, no changes, i am a creature of habit with this, like a robot.
Lastly, i believe this is all due to gfx drivers, tho i have seen a few glitches using the same drivers as 7000 on 7100. This is acceptable in my view as this IS STILL beta. I dont expect perfection, yet. And the .85 recently released drivers were absolutely horrid for my older 6800gt. ran like a old 64mb 440mx Exactly as you put it, the recently released .85 drivers were horrid. They were horrid for me also. In fact they were so horrid I lost 2 points on the wei from 5.9 to 5.7 with them. Surely that has got to be nvidia's fault. After 3 days of switching between 4 different drivers I have come to the conclusion that 179.43 are best for me for now. And they were available for the beta! | My System Specs |
| System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom Build. OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64. CPU i5 760 @ 4.2Ghz. 1.18v Motherboard Gigabyte - H55M-USB3 Memory 4g Corsair xms3 ddr3, 1600Mhz. Graphics Card Gigabyte GTX-560Ti soc edition Sound Card Asus Xonar Dx - Logitech Z5500. Monitor(s) Displays Acer 22" LCD Wide screen 1680-1050 -Samsung 42" Plasma.... Screen Resolution 1680/1050 -----1920/1080p. Keyboard Logitech G15-v2 Gaming. Mouse Microsoft Sidewinder X8. PSU XigmaTek 80plus NRP-PC702 - 700w dual 30a. Case Venus Gamers Midi Tower Case with LED Display Cooling Arctic Freezer 7 Pro Rev 2... x2 Arctic F8 case fans........ Hard Drives 2x 2TB Seagate Go Flex,
1x 1TB Seagate,
1x 640WD Black,
x16 Gig sandisc flash drive,
1x8Gig sandisc flash drive. Internet Speed Virgin Media - 50mb down- 8mb up. Other Info x2 Xbox 360 wireless controllers...
Dual layer optical disc drive...
Chrome 79million
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13 May 2009
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#12 | | Windows 7 RC Ultimate Build 7100 X64 Leeuwarden, Netherlands |
Everyone says that the RC is faster, but why isn't anyone asking what maybe the problem with Glen4cindy?
RST101 got a good point with the driver-issue and fakeasdf also got a good point with the antivirus...
Glen4cindy,
What antivirus are you using?
Can you see anything abnormal in Taskmanager?
Maybe in Resource-monitor? Maybe screenshot for us?
There must be something causing your RC to perform worse than Beta.
I ain't got any problems myself. Works perfectly for me.
I hope we can solve your problem here before you reinstall Vista.
Greetz Ronald E | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 RC Ultimate Build 7100 X64 CPU AMD Phenom X4 9550 2,2 Ghz Quad-Core Motherboard GigaByte GA-MA78GPM-DS2H Memory Corsair 4 GB DDR2-800 DHX Kit Graphics Card XFX Nvidia GF9600GT Sound Card Creative X-Fi Titanium - Fatal1ty Professional Monitor(s) Displays Samsung LE32B450 32 Inch LCD TV Screen Resolution 1680X1050 Keyboard Sweex Wireless Desktop (keyboard) Mouse Sweex Wireless Desktop (mouse) PSU Cooler Master Real Power M (1000 Watt) Case Tacens Sagitta II Cooling 1 X 230mm, 1 X 400mm Aura-fan & 1 X 120mm Ventus Pro Ice Hard Drives Western Digital WD5000AAKS (500GB)
Maxtor 6H500F0 (500GB)
Samsung HD161HJ (160GB)
Western Digital WD20 00JB (200GB) Internet Speed 20 MB/sec |
13 May 2009
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#13 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64. Ellesmere Port, UK. |

Quote: Originally Posted by Digger well your word isnt what i want, proof is in the pudding, be it from your system compared side by side with 7000 vs 7100 on same setup with somekind of diagnostics ran, and stress tests... i mean, you havent referenced any of this. Using sandra, mad onion etc... nothing... just a hearsay statement with which holds no water, or no legs to which stand upon.
Just like if you were going to endorse some candidate for election. Dont just tell me he is a good man, tell me what he stands for, whats his views, why you like him, etc etc etc. Remember some guy named Bush also known as "W"? Do you need a speedometer to tell you your going faster and smother in the Porsche more than you did the mini?
You still don't get it do you. If it's not as stable now then why have I not had to do hard shutdowns like I did with 7000 (several times a day). Why do my games install and play glitch free with 7100 and not 7000? Why do I get smoother game play? Is that not progression
Why did movies freeze but not now. Why could I not play an album without shutting media player down and restarting but can play my massive music collection in one go. All these little bugs have gone!
If my word isn't enough then tough because it's all you get. I will just have to be remembered as the liar. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom Build. OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64. CPU i5 760 @ 4.2Ghz. 1.18v Motherboard Gigabyte - H55M-USB3 Memory 4g Corsair xms3 ddr3, 1600Mhz. Graphics Card Gigabyte GTX-560Ti soc edition Sound Card Asus Xonar Dx - Logitech Z5500. Monitor(s) Displays Acer 22" LCD Wide screen 1680-1050 -Samsung 42" Plasma.... Screen Resolution 1680/1050 -----1920/1080p. Keyboard Logitech G15-v2 Gaming. Mouse Microsoft Sidewinder X8. PSU XigmaTek 80plus NRP-PC702 - 700w dual 30a. Case Venus Gamers Midi Tower Case with LED Display Cooling Arctic Freezer 7 Pro Rev 2... x2 Arctic F8 case fans........ Hard Drives 2x 2TB Seagate Go Flex,
1x 1TB Seagate,
1x 640WD Black,
x16 Gig sandisc flash drive,
1x8Gig sandisc flash drive. Internet Speed Virgin Media - 50mb down- 8mb up. Other Info x2 Xbox 360 wireless controllers...
Dual layer optical disc drive...
Chrome 79million
A.V = MSE |
13 May 2009
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#14 | | |
I have upgraded 2 systems here incrementally with each release...7000, 7022, 7048, 7057, 7068, 7077, 7100. One is in my specs, the other a P4 1.6 gHz, 768 RDRAM, no HT.
To me, no benchmarks or graphs...only how it felt using them, there has been a slight steady increase in performance and reliability. That being said, the 7000 to start with was excellent. No major problems to speak of in all this testing. I think 7077 is very close to 7100 in terms of performance. I didn't like 7022 because it wasn't possible to use ReadyBoost on it. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number self built OS 7600.20510 x86 CPU P4 550 3.4 GHz HT running at 3.5 GHz Motherboard MSI PM8M3-V (MS-7211 v1.x) Micro-ATX mainboard Memory OCZ 2 GB(2x1GB) DDR400mHz running @ 414 mHz Graphics Card HIS Radeon HD 3850 IceQ 3 Turbo HDMI Dual DL-DVI AGP Sound Card MOTU Traveler firewire studio interface 192 kHz 24 bit Monitor(s) Displays 22" widescreen Acer X223W LCD, 17" Compaq P75 CRT Screen Resolution 1680x1050 and 1280x1024 Keyboard Logitch Classical Keyboard 200 Mouse Logitech Mediaplay cordless PSU 350W generic Case Cybertronpc, it glows blue Cooling stock cpu fan, Ice-Q 3 gpu and system, many case fans Hard Drives SATA I x2 WD, 400 GB and 120 GB, SATA 2 WD Caviar Black 1 TB Internet Speed 1792/448 kbits/sec Other Info SATA II PCI fake RAID adapter, 1 GB Readyboost, original ATI Remote Wonder (even works with WMC perfectly), Logitech Rumblepad 2 game controller x2 |
13 May 2009
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#15 | | Windows 7 64-bit (7127) & Mac OS X 10.5.7 |
I personally have not had any issues with the RC but I have noticed a lot more posts/threads about this exact thing. People saying the betas were much faster than the RC is for them, which concerns me. The only other builds I have used before RC was 7000 and 7068. 7068 worked fantastically for me, but I've yet to have as much experience with the RC. 
Quote: Originally Posted by ronalde Everyone says that the RC is faster, but why isn't anyone asking what maybe the problem with Glen4cindy?
RST101 got a good point with the driver-issue and fakeasdf also got a good point with the antivirus...
Glen4cindy,
What antivirus are you using?
Can you see anything abnormal in Taskmanager?
Maybe in Resource-monitor? Maybe screenshot for us?
There must be something causing your RC to perform worse than Beta.
I ain't got any problems myself. Works perfectly for me.
I hope we can solve your problem here before you reinstall Vista.
Greetz Ronald E Yes! RTS and others, please post more info. Not to go and tell you you're wrong or something, quite the opposite actually. I want to know more about this as well! | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Apple MacBook Pro OS Windows 7 64-bit (7127) & Mac OS X 10.5.7 CPU 2.53 GHz Intel Core2Duo (6MB L2 Cache) Memory 4GB DDR2 667 Graphics Card 8600M GT 512MB Monitor(s) Displays 15.4 LED backlit LCD Screen Resolution 1440x900 Mouse Logitech Hard Drives Hitachi 250GB 5400 RPM (soon to be replaced) |
13 May 2009
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#16 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64. Ellesmere Port, UK. |

Quote: Originally Posted by torrentg I have upgraded 2 systems here incrementally with each release...7000, 7022, 7048, 7057, 7068, 7077, 7100. One is in my specs, the other a P4 1.6 gHz, 768 RDRAM, no HT.
To me, no benchmarks or graphs...only how it felt using them, there has been a slight steady increase in performance and reliability. That being said, the 7000 to start with was excellent. No major problems to speak of in all this testing. I think 7077 is very close to 7100 in terms of performance. I didn't like 7022 because it wasn't possible to use ReadyBoost on it. That is basically my experience with windows 7 since build 6801(except 7000). But according to some it cant be right because we haven't got a speedometer to prove. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom Build. OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64. CPU i5 760 @ 4.2Ghz. 1.18v Motherboard Gigabyte - H55M-USB3 Memory 4g Corsair xms3 ddr3, 1600Mhz. Graphics Card Gigabyte GTX-560Ti soc edition Sound Card Asus Xonar Dx - Logitech Z5500. Monitor(s) Displays Acer 22" LCD Wide screen 1680-1050 -Samsung 42" Plasma.... Screen Resolution 1680/1050 -----1920/1080p. Keyboard Logitech G15-v2 Gaming. Mouse Microsoft Sidewinder X8. PSU XigmaTek 80plus NRP-PC702 - 700w dual 30a. Case Venus Gamers Midi Tower Case with LED Display Cooling Arctic Freezer 7 Pro Rev 2... x2 Arctic F8 case fans........ Hard Drives 2x 2TB Seagate Go Flex,
1x 1TB Seagate,
1x 640WD Black,
x16 Gig sandisc flash drive,
1x8Gig sandisc flash drive. Internet Speed Virgin Media - 50mb down- 8mb up. Other Info x2 Xbox 360 wireless controllers...
Dual layer optical disc drive...
Chrome 79million
A.V = MSE |
13 May 2009
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#17 | | Win 7 Pro x64 x 3, Win 7 Pro x86, Ubuntu 9.04 |

Quote: Originally Posted by Digger start menu i see no change. are we talking 2 ms here? are you trying to load a start menu loaded with installed programs from the beta, and a pretty much clean install with not a 3+months use of registry entries and installed/uinstalled programs? You then would see a problem, or an improvement in performance, of course.
I can validate that the search has been worked on under the hood. Not just does or would this affect a start menu, but it affects the loading of multiple files in one folder faster than the 7000, take for example wallpaper, or my pictures library, or a huge music library. Whether the library includes local internal or external drives/folders or also networked indexed locations... it all loads faster, that i wont contest.
As far as ram usuage, actually, i see this as a decrease compared with my application ridden beta system compared against a 50% worth of the same apps that i have installed so far, and notice the ram usuage is horrible. All the same programs, no changes, i am a creature of habit with this, like a robot.
Lastly, i believe this is all due to gfx drivers, tho i have seen a few glitches using the same drivers as 7000 on 7100. This is acceptable in my view as this IS STILL beta. I dont expect perfection, yet. And the .85 recently released drivers were absolutely horrid for my older 6800gt. ran like a old 64mb 440mx lol, now you are making empirical based claims without statistical information to back it up. All of what I said above is backed up with statistical data  I don't need to argue it, feel free to follow the link that has plenty of charts and pretty pictures and tons of numbers, which I love. Sorry bout the drivers, hope they get them back to a happy working state! Engineering Windows 7 | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number fakeasdf (c) OS Win 7 Pro x64 x 3, Win 7 Pro x86, Ubuntu 9.04 CPU 2 x C2D E8600@3.33 Ghz, C2D T8300@2.4 ghz, P4 @ 3.0 ghz, Motherboard GIGABYTE GA-EP35-DS3P LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Dynamic Energy S Memory 2x8 GB Corsair, 4GB Kingston, 2GB GSkill Graphics Card ATI Radeon 4670 1 GB DDR3, 2600 Pro, 2400 Pro, Intel 965 Sound Card I don't care... Connected using Optical on Media Center Monitor(s) Displays Panasonic Viera 50" Plasma, 2x 19" Screen Resolution 1080P, 1280x1024's Case Antec P182 Gun Metal Black Hard Drives 4 Terabytes Internet Speed 20 Mbit U/D |
13 May 2009
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#18 | | |

Quote: Originally Posted by RST101 You still don't get it do you. If it's not as stable now then why have I not had to do hard shutdowns like I did with 7000 (several times a day). Why do my games install and play glitch free with 7100 and not 7000? Why do I get smoother game play? Is that not progression
Why did movies freeze but not now. Why could I not play an album without shutting media player down and restarting but can play my massive music collection in one go. All these little bugs have gone!
If my word isn't enough then tough because it's all you get. I will just have to be remembered as the liar. Movies never freezed on my end, ever. So if you reread all of your statements reguarding this, one could easily come to the conclusion without walking into your home and jumping on your pc that its software and drivers that you are using that is freezing the pc. Did this occur after a fresh install? or after some weeks/months use of tweaking, installing apps, drivers, codecs on the system. Do a REAL comparision, compare a fresh 7000 against a fresh 7100. Your statements looked to be biased and based on program compatibility, not OS compatibility. And thats not the OS's fault. Its nice for it to be backwards compatible, but... thats up to MS.
Your "testing scenario" from which you base your opinion sounds sketchy to me. Not a controlled environment for a founding of a non-biased fresh install based comparison of the two. This could be due to your MB chipset, northbridge or other. It would be nice to know so. Which could have been a part of the "under the hood" work done by MS not seen by the naked eye. This could be done and possibly visibly seen with the use of benchmarking and stress testing and the likes.
you are not providing a good base, to base your comments statements on. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number CUSTOM OS XP/win7 x86 build 7127 CPU Athlon64 X2 DUAL 4200+ 2.21ghz Motherboard ASUS K8 PRO SLI Memory 2GB Dual Chan DDR2 Corsair Graphics Card Nvidia 6800GT Sound Card nvidia Monitor(s) Displays 19' LCD Screen Resolution 1280x1024 Keyboard MS wireless Mouse MS Wireless PSU coolermaster 450 Case SUPERFLOWER Cooling 1 HDD bay fan, 5x80mm Case Fans, AEROGATE II Fan/Temp Hard Drives WD 250, 2x500, 2x1TB IDE/USB
WD 250 SATA (system)
SEAGATE 120 Sata Internet Speed fassssssssst |
13 May 2009
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#19 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64. Ellesmere Port, UK. |
Seems most people agree with me that it is quicker and more stable. If you read through the comments you will get the general gist.
Windows 7 build 7100 is superior in every sense of the word over build 7100 on MY computer.
That's all. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom Build. OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64. CPU i5 760 @ 4.2Ghz. 1.18v Motherboard Gigabyte - H55M-USB3 Memory 4g Corsair xms3 ddr3, 1600Mhz. Graphics Card Gigabyte GTX-560Ti soc edition Sound Card Asus Xonar Dx - Logitech Z5500. Monitor(s) Displays Acer 22" LCD Wide screen 1680-1050 -Samsung 42" Plasma.... Screen Resolution 1680/1050 -----1920/1080p. Keyboard Logitech G15-v2 Gaming. Mouse Microsoft Sidewinder X8. PSU XigmaTek 80plus NRP-PC702 - 700w dual 30a. Case Venus Gamers Midi Tower Case with LED Display Cooling Arctic Freezer 7 Pro Rev 2... x2 Arctic F8 case fans........ Hard Drives 2x 2TB Seagate Go Flex,
1x 1TB Seagate,
1x 640WD Black,
x16 Gig sandisc flash drive,
1x8Gig sandisc flash drive. Internet Speed Virgin Media - 50mb down- 8mb up. Other Info x2 Xbox 360 wireless controllers...
Dual layer optical disc drive...
Chrome 79million
A.V = MSE |
13 May 2009
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#20 | | |

Quote: Originally Posted by fakeasdf lol, now you are making empirical based claims without statistical information to back it up. All of what I said above is backed up with statistical data  I don't need to argue it, feel free to follow the link that has plenty of charts and pretty pictures and tons of numbers, which I love. Sorry bout the drivers, hope they get them back to a happy working state! Engineering Windows 7 i see no "statistics" on your end either
just points claimed by MS
I took this one sentence from the engineering site that shouldnt be overlooked... Quote: What sort of feedback are we looking for in the RC? We are primarily focused on monitoring the behavior of the product through the telemetry, and of course making sure we did not introduce any regressions in any dimension from Beta quality and also this Quote: Overall, while many have said that the quality of the Beta was on par with past RCs (remember how some even suggested we release it as final!) seems as tho i'm not alone as how stable the beta was/is.
another Quote: We do not have a “deadline” we are aiming to meet and the quality (in all dimensions) of the product and a smooth finish are the most important criteria for Windows 7. In addition, we have a lot of work going on behind the scenes to build Windows 7 in nearly 100 languages around the world and to make sure all the supporting materials such as our Windows web site, SDK, resource kits, and so on are ready and available in a timely manner.
just a quick example... yesterday, with the signed Windows 7 nvidia .85 drivers reported graphics as losing a .1 of a point in the WEI... and these were final drivers....    Makes no sense either.
Not everyone is going to JUST ONLY install 7 on a brand new rig.
what MS or someone may say how its SUPPOSED to act, doesnt mean that its going to act the way they said it would for all systems the same way. Common knowledge.
Yea, there may have been much more changes done in 7 "RC". But its changes for things that i wont use for quite some time myself, just like alot of users will face. For instance the handwriting, new looking mspaint (big deal), new touch keyboard look (big deal), math recognition (which i tried myself, and its not up to snuff in recognition IMO)
after going over the list, again for the 3rd time, i find that alot of changes could and should have been made prebeta before public got their hands on it. Case in point, the drive letters assignment... Couldnt they have seen this after a "test" of the beta? Things like this make me  and say whatever big deal, i already expected that. Wow me a little, give a dog a bone is what i'm saying. Once your lady puts on a nice looking dress(eyecandy), you usually only have to compliment once on how good she looks (hopefully) before you walk out the door and get on your way. I'm saying do all the jumplists and yadda yadda stuff when everything else is working fine. Put out the fires started first, then improve what you already have working... MS seems to have the habit of getting ahead of themselves and rushing things. I doubt i'm the only one to voice or think this. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number CUSTOM OS XP/win7 x86 build 7127 CPU Athlon64 X2 DUAL 4200+ 2.21ghz Motherboard ASUS K8 PRO SLI Memory 2GB Dual Chan DDR2 Corsair Graphics Card Nvidia 6800GT Sound Card nvidia Monitor(s) Displays 19' LCD Screen Resolution 1280x1024 Keyboard MS wireless Mouse MS Wireless PSU coolermaster 450 Case SUPERFLOWER Cooling 1 HDD bay fan, 5x80mm Case Fans, AEROGATE II Fan/Temp Hard Drives WD 250, 2x500, 2x1TB IDE/USB
WD 250 SATA (system)
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