| Windows 7: Toshiba P750 with Nvidia GT540 performance problem |
17 Nov 2011
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#1 | | Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1 x 2 Australia |
Toshiba P750 with Nvidia GT540 performance problem I'm looking at buying a Toshiba Satellite P750/02J Notebook (i7-2630QM) with an NVIDIA GeForce GT 540M w/Optimus 1GB at a good sale price.
The WEI graphics gives 4.9!!! The system seems stuck on the Intel graphics and it is difficult for me to confirm a more realistic figure in the store.
Now for the dumb question. Any suggestions what might not have been configured correctly. | My System Specs |
| System Manufacturer/Model Number Own build (+ Recased Acer Aspire x1800) OS Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1 x 2 CPU Intel i7 2600k Motherboard ASUS P8Z68 Deluxe Memory G.Skill Ripjaws (DDR3-1600) 2x4GB Graphics Card Nvidia GeForce GTS 450; Intel HD Graphics 3000(GT2+) Monitor(s) Displays Dell Ultrasharp IPS panel U2311H, Samsung SyncMaster P2350 Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Logitech MK520 (wireless) Mouse Logitech MK520 PSU Seasonic M12II 520W Case Lian Li Lancool PC-K60 Cooling Case: 1x120mm, 3x140mm CPU: Hyper 212+ Hard Drives Crucial M4 128GB (000F), Seagates 1TB Barracuda ST31000528AS + Internet Speed 6-7 Mbps Antivirus Norton NIS, Malwarebytes on 2 (MSE on 3rd PC) Browser FireFox Other Info Audio: Logitech Z523 2.1 |
18 Nov 2011
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#2 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 & Mac OS X 10.7.1 United Kingdom |
That sounds about right to me. A GT540 isn't the most powerful mobile GPU around. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Built by badgers!!! OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 & Mac OS X 10.7.1 CPU Intel Core i5 2500k Motherboard Asus P8z68 Memory Corsair Vengence 8gb 1866mhz Graphics Card XFX Ati HD6950 2Gb Sound Card Mobo Optical to Yamaha Rx-V667 7.2 home cinema system Monitor(s) Displays Samsung LED 32" TV Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Saitek Cyborg V7 Mouse Saitek R.A.T 9 PSU Corsair HX650w Modular Case NZXT Phantom White Cooling Corsair H60 Push/Pull Hard Drives 120gb Corsair Force 3 SSD Internet Speed Too slow! Other Info AMD fusion E350N Home server-Windows Home Server 2011 (also made by badgers!)
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18 Nov 2011
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#3 | | Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1 x 2 Australia |
I believe the issue has to do with NVIDIA Optimus. The performance I think is more to do with the Intel graphics. I would expect the NVIDIA to benchmark ~6.
So who knows how to force the NVIDIA GPU to be the principle Graphics unit. Or if you like over ride the Optimus control passing over to the Intel processor. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Own build (+ Recased Acer Aspire x1800) OS Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1 x 2 CPU Intel i7 2600k Motherboard ASUS P8Z68 Deluxe Memory G.Skill Ripjaws (DDR3-1600) 2x4GB Graphics Card Nvidia GeForce GTS 450; Intel HD Graphics 3000(GT2+) Monitor(s) Displays Dell Ultrasharp IPS panel U2311H, Samsung SyncMaster P2350 Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Logitech MK520 (wireless) Mouse Logitech MK520 PSU Seasonic M12II 520W Case Lian Li Lancool PC-K60 Cooling Case: 1x120mm, 3x140mm CPU: Hyper 212+ Hard Drives Crucial M4 128GB (000F), Seagates 1TB Barracuda ST31000528AS + Internet Speed 6-7 Mbps Antivirus Norton NIS, Malwarebytes on 2 (MSE on 3rd PC) Browser FireFox Other Info Audio: Logitech Z523 2.1 |
18 Nov 2011
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#4 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 & Mac OS X 10.7.1 United Kingdom |
While I can't comment on a fix, and I'd doubt the bios would have an option to turn it off either.
I will say not to get hooked on the windows experience figures.
In the past I've had gpus on vista that got the highest number (5.9) back then.
And I still couldn't play some games maxed out, as a poorly optimised game or one that just doesn't work on some combinations of platforms is going to perform poorly regardless | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Built by badgers!!! OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 & Mac OS X 10.7.1 CPU Intel Core i5 2500k Motherboard Asus P8z68 Memory Corsair Vengence 8gb 1866mhz Graphics Card XFX Ati HD6950 2Gb Sound Card Mobo Optical to Yamaha Rx-V667 7.2 home cinema system Monitor(s) Displays Samsung LED 32" TV Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Saitek Cyborg V7 Mouse Saitek R.A.T 9 PSU Corsair HX650w Modular Case NZXT Phantom White Cooling Corsair H60 Push/Pull Hard Drives 120gb Corsair Force 3 SSD Internet Speed Too slow! Other Info AMD fusion E350N Home server-Windows Home Server 2011 (also made by badgers!)
2011 Macbook 2.4ghz Core2Duo, 4gb ddr3, 120gb Ocz Vertex SSD |
18 Nov 2011
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#5 | | Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1 x 2 Australia |
I don't think it is considered a slow garphics card. See here http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-...M.41715.0.html
"The NVIDIA GeForce GT 540M is a fast middle class graphics card for laptops"
It also says:
"Furthermore, the 500M series supports Optimus to automatically switch between the integrated graphics card from Intel and the Nvidia GPU. However, the laptop manufacturers need to implement it and it cannot be upgraded."
so is this switching a forced condition and ultimately is this Graphics card a poor match for what I thought was a good i7 based Toshiba laptop?
(PS: I know little about graphics cards & gaming but I want the laptop to perform in this area if needed) | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Own build (+ Recased Acer Aspire x1800) OS Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1 x 2 CPU Intel i7 2600k Motherboard ASUS P8Z68 Deluxe Memory G.Skill Ripjaws (DDR3-1600) 2x4GB Graphics Card Nvidia GeForce GTS 450; Intel HD Graphics 3000(GT2+) Monitor(s) Displays Dell Ultrasharp IPS panel U2311H, Samsung SyncMaster P2350 Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Logitech MK520 (wireless) Mouse Logitech MK520 PSU Seasonic M12II 520W Case Lian Li Lancool PC-K60 Cooling Case: 1x120mm, 3x140mm CPU: Hyper 212+ Hard Drives Crucial M4 128GB (000F), Seagates 1TB Barracuda ST31000528AS + Internet Speed 6-7 Mbps Antivirus Norton NIS, Malwarebytes on 2 (MSE on 3rd PC) Browser FireFox Other Info Audio: Logitech Z523 2.1 |
18 Nov 2011
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#6 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 & Mac OS X 10.7.1 United Kingdom |
At the end of the day like I said windows score doesn't matter.
If it plays the games you like at a setting your happy with who cares what windows tells you its capable.
I've pribably bought around 100 games since vista and its scoring process. Never have I once use the scoring index to determine what I can play.
If the "optimumbojumbo" does as it says it will switch between the 2 gpu's. So wouldn't worry. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Built by badgers!!! OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 & Mac OS X 10.7.1 CPU Intel Core i5 2500k Motherboard Asus P8z68 Memory Corsair Vengence 8gb 1866mhz Graphics Card XFX Ati HD6950 2Gb Sound Card Mobo Optical to Yamaha Rx-V667 7.2 home cinema system Monitor(s) Displays Samsung LED 32" TV Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Saitek Cyborg V7 Mouse Saitek R.A.T 9 PSU Corsair HX650w Modular Case NZXT Phantom White Cooling Corsair H60 Push/Pull Hard Drives 120gb Corsair Force 3 SSD Internet Speed Too slow! Other Info AMD fusion E350N Home server-Windows Home Server 2011 (also made by badgers!)
2011 Macbook 2.4ghz Core2Duo, 4gb ddr3, 120gb Ocz Vertex SSD |
18 Nov 2011
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#7 | | Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1 x 2 Australia |
I get the point about not totally relying on WEI but it makes running an in store benchmark difficult. I would have expected the WEI graphics test to have communicated to the NVidia card "it's time to do your stuff".
At least my own built system (see specs) GTS450, i7 2600k gives a graphics WEI of 7.2.
Appreciate your persistence with the answers. Even though the deal was $992 inc 3 pack of Norton 360 I'll probably pass it up. It's the first time I've come across this Optimus issue but some quick reading suggests it can cause problems not switching when you want it to.
Note: I've been talking about Graphics not Gaming Graphics performance. So I would have tought the WEI did mean something since you are measuring desktop performance for Windows Aero. Further Comment: After a bit more investigation I gather Optimus can be a problem that is sometimes overcome with a driver upgrade. But it seems to still remove too much control from the user. SO I've decided not to touch an NVIDIA card with Optimus at this stage.
Last edited by mjf; 19 Nov 2011 at 04:15 AM..
Reason: Further comment
| My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Own build (+ Recased Acer Aspire x1800) OS Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1 x 2 CPU Intel i7 2600k Motherboard ASUS P8Z68 Deluxe Memory G.Skill Ripjaws (DDR3-1600) 2x4GB Graphics Card Nvidia GeForce GTS 450; Intel HD Graphics 3000(GT2+) Monitor(s) Displays Dell Ultrasharp IPS panel U2311H, Samsung SyncMaster P2350 Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Logitech MK520 (wireless) Mouse Logitech MK520 PSU Seasonic M12II 520W Case Lian Li Lancool PC-K60 Cooling Case: 1x120mm, 3x140mm CPU: Hyper 212+ Hard Drives Crucial M4 128GB (000F), Seagates 1TB Barracuda ST31000528AS + Internet Speed 6-7 Mbps Antivirus Norton NIS, Malwarebytes on 2 (MSE on 3rd PC) Browser FireFox Other Info Audio: Logitech Z523 2.1 |
20 Nov 2011
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#8 | | Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1 x 2 Australia |
Thanks badger but I'm assuming no other input re the Nvidia Optimus issue??? | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Own build (+ Recased Acer Aspire x1800) OS Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1 x 2 CPU Intel i7 2600k Motherboard ASUS P8Z68 Deluxe Memory G.Skill Ripjaws (DDR3-1600) 2x4GB Graphics Card Nvidia GeForce GTS 450; Intel HD Graphics 3000(GT2+) Monitor(s) Displays Dell Ultrasharp IPS panel U2311H, Samsung SyncMaster P2350 Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Logitech MK520 (wireless) Mouse Logitech MK520 PSU Seasonic M12II 520W Case Lian Li Lancool PC-K60 Cooling Case: 1x120mm, 3x140mm CPU: Hyper 212+ Hard Drives Crucial M4 128GB (000F), Seagates 1TB Barracuda ST31000528AS + Internet Speed 6-7 Mbps Antivirus Norton NIS, Malwarebytes on 2 (MSE on 3rd PC) Browser FireFox Other Info Audio: Logitech Z523 2.1 |
20 Nov 2011
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#9 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 & Mac OS X 10.7.1 United Kingdom |
will i had never heard of it till you mentioned it  however ive been doing some research, and it appears that the Nvidia and intel parts of the chip are "integral"
So turning it off, isnt possible. it basically puts the Nvidia part of the card to sleep and wakes it when more demanding apps require it.
Try updating the drivers, apparently they arent so easy to find, and i can only find reference to issues dating back to 2010.. so unless your laptops been sat on the shelf a while, id have thought youd have later versions than the people complaining int he past lol. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Built by badgers!!! OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 & Mac OS X 10.7.1 CPU Intel Core i5 2500k Motherboard Asus P8z68 Memory Corsair Vengence 8gb 1866mhz Graphics Card XFX Ati HD6950 2Gb Sound Card Mobo Optical to Yamaha Rx-V667 7.2 home cinema system Monitor(s) Displays Samsung LED 32" TV Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Saitek Cyborg V7 Mouse Saitek R.A.T 9 PSU Corsair HX650w Modular Case NZXT Phantom White Cooling Corsair H60 Push/Pull Hard Drives 120gb Corsair Force 3 SSD Internet Speed Too slow! Other Info AMD fusion E350N Home server-Windows Home Server 2011 (also made by badgers!)
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