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Windows 7: Please tell me: What is difference between PCIe 2.1 x16 and PCIe x16


23 Sep 2012   #1

Windows 7 Ultimate 32-Bit
 
 
Please tell me: What is difference between PCIe 2.1 x16 and PCIe x16

My motherbord has a PCIe x16 slot. What is difference between PCIe 2.1 x16 and PCIe x16. Can my motherbord afford PCIe 2.1 x16 or PCIe 3.0 x16 version Graphic cards


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23 Sep 2012   #2

Windows 7 Pro X64 SP1
 
 

Probably a lot more than you wish to know:

PCI Express - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The newer PCI-E 2, 2.1, and 3 graphics cards are supposed to be backwards compatible with older X16 slots. The lower data rate supported by the old slot may be irrelevant to most cards.
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24 Sep 2012   #3

 

I agree with bobkn: PCI-E 2, 2.1 and 3 graphics cards are supposed to be backwards compatible with older PCI-E 1 or 1.1 slots.

But i experienced issues with Radeon HD 5xxx series GPUs on my 2nd pc's motherboard (which supports only PCI-E 1.1). They are all PCI-E 2.1 cards and my motherboard seems to be incompatible with them. I solved installing a PCI-E 2.0 GPU, the GeForce GTS 450.

So, before installing new graphics cards on non-new hardware, check in internet if some people have issues with it...
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24 Sep 2012   #4

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Dorado View Post
I agree with bobkn: PCI-E 2, 2.1 and 3 graphics cards are supposed to be backwards compatible with older PCI-E 1 or 1.1 slots.

But i experienced issues with Radeon HD 5xxx series GPUs on my 2nd pc's motherboard (which supports only PCI-E 1.1). They are all PCI-E 2.1 cards and my motherboard seems to be incompatible with them. I solved installing a PCI-E 2.0 GPU, the GeForce GTS 450.

So, before installing new graphics cards on non-new hardware, check in internet if some people have issues with it...
Wouldn't happen to be an ASUS board would it?
I had the same problem with my old one, asus tried to blame the graphics card, which to this day works just fine in my backup machine.

I will never use ASUS again because of the way they tried to railroad me.
It was a top dollar republic of gamers board too.
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24 Sep 2012   #5

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Maguscreed View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Dorado View Post
I agree with bobkn: PCI-E 2, 2.1 and 3 graphics cards are supposed to be backwards compatible with older PCI-E 1 or 1.1 slots.

But i experienced issues with Radeon HD 5xxx series GPUs on my 2nd pc's motherboard (which supports only PCI-E 1.1). They are all PCI-E 2.1 cards and my motherboard seems to be incompatible with them. I solved installing a PCI-E 2.0 GPU, the GeForce GTS 450.

So, before installing new graphics cards on non-new hardware, check in internet if some people have issues with it...
Wouldn't happen to be an ASUS board would it?
I had the same problem with my old one, asus tried to blame the graphics card, which to this day works just fine in my backup machine.

I will never use ASUS again because of the way they tried to railroad me.
It was a top dollar republic of gamers board too.
Yes, it is an ASUS P5LP-LE (made for an HP desktop machine)... It rejected an HD 5670 and accepted the GTS 450...
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24 Sep 2012   #6

Windows 7 Ultimate 32-Bit
 
 
Please tell me Final

My motherboard has Pci-e X 16 Slot and So Please tell me Final i buy Nvidia 550ti or not
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25 Sep 2012   #7

 

Can My PC able to Run Zotac 550ti or Sapphire 6850 HD

http://www.kitguru.net/forum/ati-gra...tac-550ti.html

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?p=4415431

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several users said you can run GTX 550Ti on your motherboard.

so YES, it should work without any probelms.

Before buying anything check if you have an adeguate PPU (Power Supply Unit) to run the GPU you want to install in your pc.
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25 Sep 2012   #8

Windows 7 Ultimate 32-Bit
 
 

Thanks for final advise Dorado
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25 Sep 2012   #9

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by atyagi9350 View Post
Thanks for final advise Dorado
you're welcome.
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25 Sep 2012   #10

Win7 Home Premium 64x
 
 

Also when looking at mobo (motherboard) specifications, you have (as example) x16 slots and x16(x8 mode) slots:

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An example is a ×8 slot that actually only runs at ×1. These slots allow any ×1, ×2, ×4 or ×8 card, though only running at ×1 speed. This type of socket is called a ×8 (×1 mode) slot, meaning it physically accepts up to ×8 cards but only runs at ×1 speed. This is also sometimes specified as "×size (@×capacity)" (for example, "×16(@×8)"). The advantage is that it can accommodate a larger range of PCIe cards without requiring motherboard hardware to support the full transfer rate. This keeps design and implementation costs down.
So even if it looks like a x16 slot, it might be wired as a lower speed slot. your mobo documentation will state which x16 slots are true and which are wired lower.


Here is a good example in video at 5:40 minute mark:
this board has two x16 slots and two x16 physical slots that run at x4 speed ~ x16 (x4 mode) or x16(@x4)



Also from the wiki, the difference (and similarities) between 2.0 and 2.1:

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PCI Express 2.1
PCI Express 2.1 supports a large proportion of the management, support, and troubleshooting systems planned for full implementation in PCI Express 3.0. However, the speed is the same as PCI Express 2.0. Unfortunately, the increase in power from the slot breaks backward compatibility between PCI Express 2.1 cards and some older motherboards with 1.0/1.0a, but most motherboards with PCI Express 1.1 connectors are provided with a BIOS update by their manufacturers through utilities to support backward compatibility of cards with PCIe 2.1.
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