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17 Dec 2012   #21
Heyyou

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As I mentioned earlier, a friend has the same Dell computer and system, and a similar Dell monitor and is using the VGA cable that came with his monitor and doesn't have the problem. I'll report back. Thanks again
Yes, the VGA cable is an alternative which SHOULD SUPPORT FULL-PANEL PRESENTATION, at the native resolution of the monitor. No scaling should result... same as with the DVI cable.

So my intuition says if you used the VGA cable which came with your monitor instead of the HDMI cable, you would be using 100% of the panel real-estate. No black bars anywhere on any of the edges.

But... you'd be running your monitor in analog mode through a VGA cable, not digital mode... as would be the case with a DVI cable. Yes, I know the monitor will have to convert the analog VGA control via that cable to digital pixels for display because it is a pixel-based display device but it's built to do exactly that, when you use a VGA cable. However you would be getting full-screen 100% scaling as a result, is my prediction.

And you'll get exactly the same 100% scaling result with your DVI cable, except that the monitor's electronics will not have to convert from analog VGA to digital/pixel for display, as the DVI cable is delivering the pure digital DVI-D 1920x1080 output from your video card directly. Pixel-perfect from the get-go.


There is a noticeable difference between how a pixel-based display (like both of our monitors) looks, when fed via VGA analog cable vs. DVI digital cable. Characters of any kind (text in emails or documents, titles under icons, characters on web pages, etc.) will look "painted", whereas those same characters will appear crystal-sharp and clear, with no "edges" or extra width or anything other than pixel-perfect characters.

Believe me... you CAN easily tell the difference when using VGA vs. DVI. The only issue is whether it will bother you (as it did me). The HD4850 I'm using on this machine only had one DVI connector and its second was VGA. So when I first got my second 24" Eizo I was forced to use the VGA connector for the second monitor, and I just didn't like it when compared to how my first 24" Eizo looked via its DVI connection.

That's what prompted me to upgrade my video card for that 2-monitor machine, to a dual-DVI HD5770. And now both the monitors on that machine are connected with DVI cables, and both look pixel-perfect and all-digital. I'm finally happy.
I attached the VGA cable and the resolution automatically went to 1920x1080. The desktop fills the screen as you said it would. However, when I click on any of my 3 browsers, the browser window opens full screen and the web site (the photo) as in the Bing site is about a third of the window. I can't drag it to stretch it across the screen horizontal or vertical. In other words the browser is full screen but the web site is about a third of the screen. Do you have an idea what to do about that?


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17 Dec 2012   #22
Heyyou

WIN7 x64 Home Premium SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by dsperber View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Heyyou View Post
As I mentioned earlier, a friend has the same Dell computer and system, and a similar Dell monitor and is using the VGA cable that came with his monitor and doesn't have the problem. I'll report back. Thanks again
Yes, the VGA cable is an alternative which SHOULD SUPPORT FULL-PANEL PRESENTATION, at the native resolution of the monitor. No scaling should result... same as with the DVI cable.

So my intuition says if you used the VGA cable which came with your monitor instead of the HDMI cable, you would be using 100% of the panel real-estate. No black bars anywhere on any of the edges.

But... you'd be running your monitor in analog mode through a VGA cable, not digital mode... as would be the case with a DVI cable. Yes, I know the monitor will have to convert the analog VGA control via that cable to digital pixels for display because it is a pixel-based display device but it's built to do exactly that, when you use a VGA cable. However you would be getting full-screen 100% scaling as a result, is my prediction.

And you'll get exactly the same 100% scaling result with your DVI cable, except that the monitor's electronics will not have to convert from analog VGA to digital/pixel for display, as the DVI cable is delivering the pure digital DVI-D 1920x1080 output from your video card directly. Pixel-perfect from the get-go.


There is a noticeable difference between how a pixel-based display (like both of our monitors) looks, when fed via VGA analog cable vs. DVI digital cable. Characters of any kind (text in emails or documents, titles under icons, characters on web pages, etc.) will look "painted", whereas those same characters will appear crystal-sharp and clear, with no "edges" or extra width or anything other than pixel-perfect characters.

Believe me... you CAN easily tell the difference when using VGA vs. DVI. The only issue is whether it will bother you (as it did me). The HD4850 I'm using on this machine only had one DVI connector and its second was VGA. So when I first got my second 24" Eizo I was forced to use the VGA connector for the second monitor, and I just didn't like it when compared to how my first 24" Eizo looked via its DVI connection.

That's what prompted me to upgrade my video card for that 2-monitor machine, to a dual-DVI HD5770. And now both the monitors on that machine are connected with DVI cables, and both look pixel-perfect and all-digital. I'm finally happy.
I attached the VGA cable and the resolution automatically went to 1920x1080. The desktop fills the screen as you said it would. However, when I click on my 3 browsers, the Chrome browser is OK, but most of my Firefox and Palemoon browsers pages don't open fully. The browser window opens full screen but the web site, is about a third of the window. I can't drag it and I cant maximize it. In other words the site is displayed is about a third of the window. Do you have an idea why that is happening? Everything else appears to be OK.
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18 Dec 2012   #23
dsperber

Windows 7 Pro x64 (1), Win7 Pro X64 (2)
 
 

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I attached the VGA cable and the resolution automatically went to 1920x1080. The desktop fills the screen as you said it would.
Yes. I knew it would. And your Dell monitor will look even better if you use a DVI cable instead.

But just so you realize what you've accomplished... even with the HDMI cable you still were displaying at 1920x1080. It's just that it had been "scaled" downward by the monitor probably (I can't believe the Catalyst drivers did that, but I can't swear to it). Its aspect ratio on your 16x9 Dell monitor was still a 16x9 image (i.e. 16:9 1920x1080 Windows desktop), with 1920x1080 pixel resolution. But each pixel size had been reduced, so that you had "postage stamp" for your Windows desktop, with black surrounding it on all four edges.

Now that you've gone to a VGA cable, your pixel size being used by the monitor is its proper maximum 100% size, so that the same 1920x1080 Windows desktop now takes up the complete 100% of your Dell monitor's available screen. Again, same 16:9 aspect ratio, but the pixel size is full 100% as it should be, so your screen is being fully used and there are no black surrounds.

And exactly the same thing will happen when you use the DVI cable instead (don't fink out on buying one... you'll thank me). Same 100% full-size pixels and 100% screen usage, but crystal-clear sharp perfect characters, lines, curves, and images as compared to how it looks using the analog VGA cable. And colors will be perfect and stunning.

Get that DVI cable and use it.


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However, when I click on my 3 browsers, the Chrome browser is OK, but most of my Firefox and Palemoon browsers pages don't open fully. The browser window opens full screen
This of course has zero to do with the subject of this thread, which is concerned with how your 1920x1080 display screen appears with relationship to the 1920x1080 Windows desktop.

But regarding your browser windows/full-screen issue, and any web page content within those windows, that's because that's how you last left the browser window... in full-screen mode (with the double-squares now showing as the second-from right button in the upper-right corner of your window/screen). But in any browser, the presentation of a web page within the browser window is independent of the browser window itself, and both are re-sizable under your control.

To resize the browser window from full-screen down to a window, just click on that double-square button (to return the browser back to "window mode" rather than "full-screen" mode), and you'll now be able to pull the top/bottom and left/right edges of that window to any size and location you want. This is standard Windows functionality for ANY program window, not just for a browser.

Anyway, now that you have the browser window as large as you want (either a smaller window, or full-screen taking up the whole 1920x1080 screen real-estate), you can use the Firefox "zoom" feature (which is reached in either of two convenient ways) to increase the size of the content of any web site's pages, within whatever size window/full-screen program window you have for Firefox itself. I know nothing about Palemoon, but I suspect there's similar capability.

With Firefox, you simply use the Menu Bar "View" -> Zoom -> zoom in or out, or zoom text only, to magnify or reduce the pages from any web domain. Firefox remembers each domain's "zoom" parameter uniquely based on whatever you last set it at when you visit. So the next time you return that same "zoom" appearance will be returned to you and you won't have to change it again. This is true no matter whether your outer Firefox program is in a window or maximized to full-screen.



The second approach (which is what I use) to convenient zooming it to actually customize your Firefox toolbar to have the "zoom control" right there for you to push, as a "- +' pair of button.




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but the web site, is about a third of the window. I can't drag it and I cant maximize it. In other words the site is displayed is about a third of the window. Do you have an idea why that is happening? Everything else appears to be OK.
Follow my "zoom" instructions above, and do that with Firefox for every site you visit. Once you get the proper re-size of their windows set once, you'll never have to do it again and every time you re-visit that same domain (i.e. ANY PAGE FROM THAT SITE) your view of those pages will always be just as large or small as you want, for that site uniquely.
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18 Dec 2012   #24
Heyyou

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by dsperber View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Heyyou View Post
I attached the VGA cable and the resolution automatically went to 1920x1080. The desktop fills the screen as you said it would.
Yes. I knew it would. And your Dell monitor will look even better if you use a DVI cable instead.

But just so you realize what you've accomplished... even with the HDMI cable you still were displaying at 1920x1080. It's just that it had been "scaled" downward by the monitor probably (I can't believe the Catalyst drivers did that, but I can't swear to it). Its aspect ratio on your 16x9 Dell monitor was still a 16x9 image (i.e. 16:9 1920x1080 Windows desktop), with 1920x1080 pixel resolution. But each pixel size had been reduced, so that you had "postage stamp" for your Windows desktop, with black surrounding it on all four edges.

Now that you've gone to a VGA cable, your pixel size being used by the monitor is its proper maximum 100% size, so that the same 1920x1080 Windows desktop now takes up the complete 100% of your Dell monitor's available screen. Again, same 16:9 aspect ratio, but the pixel size is full 100% as it should be, so your screen is being fully used and there are no black surrounds.

And exactly the same thing will happen when you use the DVI cable instead (don't fink out on buying one... you'll thank me). Same 100% full-size pixels and 100% screen usage, but crystal-clear sharp perfect characters, lines, curves, and images as compared to how it looks using the analog VGA cable. And colors will be perfect and stunning.

Get that DVI cable and use it.


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However, when I click on my 3 browsers, the Chrome browser is OK, but most of my Firefox and Palemoon browsers pages don't open fully. The browser window opens full screen
This of course has zero to do with the subject of this thread, which is concerned with how your 1920x1080 display screen appears with relationship to the 1920x1080 Windows desktop.

But regarding your browser windows/full-screen issue, and any web page content within those windows, that's because that's how you last left the browser window... in full-screen mode (with the double-squares now showing as the second-from right button in the upper-right corner of your window/screen). But in any browser, the presentation of a web page within the browser window is independent of the browser window itself, and both are re-sizable under your control.

To resize the browser window from full-screen down to a window, just click on that double-square button (to return the browser back to "window mode" rather than "full-screen" mode), and you'll now be able to pull the top/bottom and left/right edges of that window to any size and location you want. This is standard Windows functionality for ANY program window, not just for a browser.

Anyway, now that you have the browser window as large as you want (either a smaller window, or full-screen taking up the whole 1920x1080 screen real-estate), you can use the Firefox "zoom" feature (which is reached in either of two convenient ways) to increase the size of the content of any web site's pages, within whatever size window/full-screen program window you have for Firefox itself. I know nothing about Palemoon, but I suspect there's similar capability.

With Firefox, you simply use the Menu Bar "View" -> Zoom -> zoom in or out, or zoom text only, to magnify or reduce the pages from any web domain. Firefox remembers each domain's "zoom" parameter uniquely based on whatever you last set it at when you visit. So the next time you return that same "zoom" appearance will be returned to you and you won't have to change it again. This is true no matter whether your outer Firefox program is in a window or maximized to full-screen.



The second approach (which is what I use) to convenient zooming it to actually customize your Firefox toolbar to have the "zoom control" right there for you to push, as a "- +' pair of button.




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but the web site, is about a third of the window. I can't drag it and I cant maximize it. In other words the site is displayed is about a third of the window. Do you have an idea why that is happening? Everything else appears to be OK.
Follow my "zoom" instructions above, and do that with Firefox for every site you visit. Once you get the proper re-size of their windows set once, you'll never have to do it again and every time you re-visit that same domain (i.e. ANY PAGE FROM THAT SITE) your view of those pages will always be just as large or small as you want, for that site uniquely.
I figured out where I screwed up with the web page problem I spoke of above. I had already done as you suggest, with the zoom, but it didn't work because I had "Zoom Text Only" checked and didn't notice it. Unchecking that gave me the ability to do as you suggested, and all is well. Arrgh!
I will certainly get the DVI cable as soon as I can get to the store. Thank you again for all your help. The solution was just beyond my ability to figure out, but thanks to you I learned how to do something else.
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18 Dec 2012   #25
Heyyou

WIN7 x64 Home Premium SP1
 
 

My thanks to the other gentlemen here who tried to help me with my problem. As you can see, I tried dsperber's solution and that did it. However, I really appreciate all your efforts to help.
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13 Jan 2013   #26
dsperber

Windows 7 Pro x64 (1), Win7 Pro X64 (2)
 
 

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I will certainly get the DVI cable as soon as I can get to the store.
Just following up on this...

Did you ever actually get the DVI cable I'd recommended and that we'd talked about extensively, to replace your VGA cable?

They BOTH will fill your monitor's screen, but the DVI cable will produce definitely superior video results and appearance on that monitor.

Just curious as to how this turned out for you.
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13 Jan 2013   #27
Heyyou

WIN7 x64 Home Premium SP1
 
 

dsperber - Hi, Alas, the port I thought was a DVI port turned out to be a sata port. I don't have a DVI port after all. Thus I have to stay with the VGA. Thanks for checkin' back.
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