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Windows 7: Some advice with new Graphics card upgrade?


23 Dec 2013   #1

Windows 8.1
 
 
Some advice with new Graphics card upgrade?

I'm on the brink of buying a new gpu, been playing Assassin's creed 4 with my HD4870 and its chewing it apart, low fps etc, strangely though every other AC I played as well as other games like crysis 2 played at high settings on my ati.

Anyways to my questions, I don't want to spend loads, so I've found a GTX 580 new for 120, but haven't' purchased it yet though. And there's also ebay...but used 580's don't go for much cheaper there.

Q1 - This 580 is a stock model, how does it compare to the oc versions? Am I right to believe that the oc'd versions will only give me a few extra fps and probably not worth it for the extra price I'll pay. And surely I can oc myself If I even need to?

Q2 - GTX 580 is an older card, albeit still powerful, it compares roughly to a new GTX 760 (various benchmarking sites) A GTX 760 is 180 at cheapest, is spending an extra 60 gonna give me any advantages over a 580? i.e. better and more updated support....future proofing?


Also I should note that I am an architecture student and do a lot of 3d modelling/graphics/presentation/animation on 3ds MAX/Rhino/Sketchup/photoshop and I've heard the GTX 580's architecture perform better for this kind of stuff compared to the new 600 and 700 models. (I know about quadros too, but I'm not spending that much lol)

Also this is why I'm going Nvidia this time, they have better support for 3ds max as I have been told, but correct me if I am wrong


current specs
i7 920 OC 3.4ghz
ati HD 4870 1gb
PSU Corsair 650w
6GB RAM

PCIE slots are 2.0 also, this should still be fine for newer generation gpus?


Thanks, any help is appreciated and merry christmas

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24 Dec 2013   #2

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Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 X64 (Windows 8.1, Linux Mint, Windows XP and others in VM)
 
 

You'll get a lot of opinions and facts with your question, so here are mine. A GTX 580 is a very capable card, but is also several generations old. A 700's version is newer and will be supported longer than the 500 cards. Just that part is worth a few extra pounds to me. As far as the modeling part, I know nothing about it. Also to consider is that Nvidia is 'supposed' to come out with the new 800 cards in the next couple of months. If you can wait, I would wait and see what they have to offer. Also, whatever you decide, be sure and check the PSU requirements and make sure you have ample PSU support. I recommend staying about 30-50% higher than their minimum recomendations. That will allow the PSU to run cooler, last longer and allow for future upgrades. And always buy a quality brand. Never try to save money on a PSU. Stay with Seasonic, Corsair, Antec or XFX. Modular if your budget allows.
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24 Dec 2013   #3

Windows 8.1
 
 

Thank you for your reply, its very useful. I did a little more research into things and discovered this website where I can get a good estimate of how much power I will need.

I used this and initially it seems like my corsair TX 650w should be more than enough to run either a 760 or 580, however my system is about 3 years old, so I decided to then put a 25% on the capacitor aging and see what the results were.

With the capitor aging set to 25% It seems that the 580 would be too much by about 30 watts, (760 still well within limits)

I'm kind of tempted to just get the 580 as its cheaper, but worried as my psu is aroud 3 years old. I use my pc most days, but its not on constantly though. Do you think the age of the psu is really a problem?

Thanks
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24 Dec 2013   #4

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Robwan View Post
Do you think the age of the psu is really a problem?

Thanks
Since it's a TX650 I'd say you'd be fine since Corsair tend to under rate their PSUs capability. So even with capacitor aging, it should still be able to handle a 580 without issues.
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24 Dec 2013   #5

Windows 8.1
 
 

Quote:
Since it's a TX650 I'd say you'd be fine since Corsair tend to under rate their PSUs capability. So even with capacitor aging, it should still be able to handle a 580 without issues.
Thank you, that is good to hear
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24 Dec 2013   #6

Windows 7 Home Premium 64Bit
 
 

Id still have to recommend an amd card, more power for less money, have a look at the r9 series, brother got a saphire 280x and its simply amazing.
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24 Dec 2013   #7

Windows 7 Professional 64-bit
 
 

NVIDIA created G-Sync because they are now focused on Experience while AMD is focused on performance. GO WITH AMD!!
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24 Dec 2013   #8

Windows 8.1
 
 

I was just looking at amd cards haha, reconsidering. But I just keep hearing that Nvidia have better support for design software such as 3ds max or the adobe suite (since I need to do that as well as game) e.g. CUDA....but I'm no expert on this subject though, just wanted to play it safe I guess.

AMD cards which are similar seem to be of the same or higher in price though If I go by benchmarks from here PassMark Software - Video Card Benchmarks - High End Video Cards (how valid even are these benchmarks though lol)

I can get a GTX 760 for about 180, whereas as a R9 280X is about 250 and similar spec, but a 7950 is about 200 and probably gives the same performance for what I want.

AH, decisions decisions, I just need to pick one.

You have all been very helpful though happy xmas all btw
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25 Dec 2013   #9

 
 

Since you're using apps designed to take advantage of nvidia - I'd stick with them.

I had 3 gtx 670's, but did test with one and they are equivalent to the 760. Performance is quite good for single screen gaming. You won't have to lower too much to get good frames in most games.

The 280X is a nice card - but as you know, it's not optimised for your design apps. Same goes for a 7950.
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27 Dec 2013   #10

Windows 7 Home Premium 64Bit
 
 

An r9 280x is on the same wave length as the gtx770 but its also cheaper, also i wouldnt buy the stock one
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