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Windows 7: Multicolored Lines, computer crash, Drivers?

22 Feb 2016   #11
Mellon Head

Win 7 Pro x64/Win 10 Pro x64 dual boot
 
 

John, I did notice one thing. In the picture just before the crash, the Vcore went way up to around 1.38V from 0.86V. That's a significant jump in voltage. The processor is coming out of Cool 'n Quiet mode and ramping up to full clocking speed. I wonder if it could be a CPU fault? CPU is entering turbo mode, but the temps aren't bad, though they aren't in Celsius, so it's hard to get an accurate picture. I think he's got a well cooled CPU. It's not even reaching 90F at full turbo on four cores. I'm wondering if turning turbo mode off will help?


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22 Feb 2016   #12
ICIT2LOL

Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 10 Pro / Main lap Asus ROG 10 Pro 2 laptop Toshiba 7 Pro Asus P2520 7 & 10
 
 

Yes mate I think that is a real possibility too because that is one heck of a jump which just goes to reinforce me to think the PSU is being stretched or is going south - though the readout on the HW stuff is showing what I think is a low CPU volts.

Don't know quite what to make of it as it does seem to be all over the place in that machine.

zedit I would be very interested to see what the volts are at pin 8 on the 24 pin plug too because that is the Power good signal
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23 Feb 2016   #13
Aemornion

64 bit win 7
 
 

Thank you for your responses,

Yes, I was using the snipping tool, I love that tool! Best hidden secret software in windows if you ask me.

I clicked the yellow sensors button, and what you see above is what it brought up. I too noticed that I did not see any Vbatt etc.
The reason its all on one window, is I clicked one of the two little buttons in the bottom left of the first screen shot. Which created a new set of data columns, which meant I could snip all the voltages at once without the scroll bar. It did extend onto the other monitor a bit, which is why the dimensions are a little wonky.

I think in playing with it last week, I got it to display a bunch of hidden sensors, but they didn't have any readings if I recall. They were grayed out.
But i'll look into the settings tonight and see if I can figure out what's going on. Is there any other reason that it would not display them, that you can think of?
I'll also change the temp setting from F back to C for you guys. For reference 90F = 32C.

Or maybe I'll wait until the memtest is done to mess with HiWin64 again, I just got my wife to start it up again, so in 24 hours i'm guessing 8 passes will have completed. If I had known that, I would have not stopped it when I got back from work yesterday, but lesson learned.

I can take a picture of my tower when I get home if you think that would be helpful. I have a decent Heat Sink on the CPU.
Everything is new by 3 months, so I'm going to be really disappointed if something is failing already...

I ordered a 650W Seasonic PSU last night. Should be here later in the week. Even if its not the issue, I want to do it right. (anyone want to buy my lightly use 520W seasonic, lol)

But i'll mention once again, It runs everything else fine, I played a few hours of skyrim when I first got the computer put together, with Graphics Mods max settings, no problem, The other week Had 2 different CAD programs, and Photoshop running simultaneously, no problems. I did some stress test things with the GPU and CPU, no issues.
Open steam and let it download something, problem...

Something I might try next is just straight up reinstalling windows, I have acronis to back up my drives, so I could get back to where I am now, if that does not pan out. But regardless I have been having this issue since I built that darn thing, its simply only recently that I isolated a repeatable method of causing the issue.

How would I disable Turbo mode on the CPU, is that a setting in BIOS somewhere?

Are their any methods for testing the motherboard?
or doing a real test of the CPU, similar to the memory test?
What additional stuff can I do to check out my drives?
(I realized that I didn't mention in my first post that my 3 WD drives are in a RAID5 configuration, not sure if that matters? but I apologize for not specifying it.)

Thanks for the help, it is as always most appreciated! I would really be lost on my own, lol.
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24 Feb 2016   #14
ICIT2LOL

Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 10 Pro / Main lap Asus ROG 10 Pro 2 laptop Toshiba 7 Pro Asus P2520 7 & 10
 
 

Ok lets wait for the memtest and as for the HW I am assuming you had the right bit version not that I think it makes much difference except for frequencies and RAM speeds etc in the readouts.

That is a nice PSU by the by and did it measure up to what the calculator suggested? - if you mentioned it sorry I cannot see it in your post.

Now the other option you have is to physically measure the volts at 24 pin and GPU power leads with a digital multimeter if you feel like it. The meters are very cheap and good these days and just use the black lead to any black cable and test the other colours with the red lead. I would be very interested in what is showing at pin 8 (grey cable) as it is the Power Good signal - if that drops or goes above a certain voltage it will either not let the machine start up or just shut it down to prevent component damage.

Yep a pic of the machine would be good.
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24 Feb 2016   #15
Anak

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Win 7 Home Premium 64bit Ver 6.1.7600 Build 7601 - SP1
 
 

Hi Aemornion, welcome to 7F!

This is the most severe case of screen tearing that I, have ever seen. This could be a case of your MSI video card out performing your monitors.
First to check would be the output of the cards resolution output to the monitors and make sure they match, then, and this is most important, that the card is not pushing more refresh rate than the 60Hz the monitors are capable of.

Quote:
Tearing is a specific visual artifact that appears when the frames shown in a game seem to split into a top and bottom half, which do not align. In very severe cases, the split may even occur three or four times.

Unlike many other issues, this one is caused by too much performance. Most monitors have a 60 Hz refresh rate, which means that they only refresh their image 60 times a second. But a fast gaming PC can play many titles at much higher speeds. When the frames start to come in more quickly than the monitor can refresh, a refresh may contain information from multiple frames. And thus the problem.

The most popular fix is an in-game setting called V-sync which locks the game’s output to a certain maximum (usually 60 frames per second). If you want to spend some dough, you can also fix the problem by purchasing a monitor with a 120Hz refresh rate.

Source, 4th section down: 5 Common PC Gaming Problems (And How To Fix Them)
Your tearing is occurring 3x's in the left monitor and 4x's in the right. Check to see:
  • If you do have an in-game V-Sync setting.
  • Can you run games with a borderless setting?
  • There can be problems with using two dis-similar cables, HMDI and DVI.

Also, I find it interesting that you say:
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Aemornion View Post
But i'll mention once again, It runs everything else fine, I played a few hours of skyrim when I first got the computer put together, with Graphics Mods max settings, no problem, The other week Had 2 different CAD programs, and Photoshop running simultaneously, no problems. I did some stress test things with the GPU and CPU, no issues. Open steam and let it download something, problem...
Then I would say, when you....
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Aemornion View Post
Open steam and let it download something, problem...
Something, maybe an update, Steam installed is causing your problem. But. I would not disregard ICIT2's or MH's findings, you will never be disappointed with having the extra power available.

Can you uninstall Steam and then reinstall it being very careful/watch-full on what it does install. Do you still have the original download of Steam? I would want to stay with the same version you used before the something extra and before you shutdown see if you can disable Steams propensity to automatically install updates, but from what I've been reading that is impossible unless you modify Steam, and steam will not let you start/play any game if an update is pending, its designed now that if a game you're playing has a pending update it won't start until the update has been installed.

If the above is true, this may be moot:
Then shutdown your machine, reboot and see if Steam wants to install something extra, only this time say no.


Related:
It does look like the turbo boost can be disabled in the BIOS. This is a link to one of Mellon Head's earlier posts: how to enable turbo boost

Look at all pages, but especially 5 though 9: The Gamer's Graphics & Display Settings Guide

This is a new Steam client update from February 2nd, See the In home section, it mentions an update that fixes? slow framerates, and an Intel quicksync update, disregard if the MSI card or your machine does not have an Intel GPU.

There are over a thousand pages on the Steam forums relating to screen tearing:
http://steamcommunity.com/discussion...Screen+Tearing
http://Screen Tearing with new updates search | steamcommunity.com

There may be some ideas here: http://Screen tearing with multiple displays | support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles
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24 Feb 2016   #16
Aemornion

64 bit win 7
 
 

Once again, than you all for your continued assistance.

Alright, So I check out some of those items relating to frame rates, resolution etc. Everything checked out. I did find a setting that was off, which according to google, is related to vsync, I turned that on. The crash persists.
I do have Fraps, installed, which lets me see frame rate in the corner of the screen. I have never seen it go above 60, for example, right now it is 3, when i was playing skyrim, it was jumping between 58 and 60. Looking into screen tearing a bit, it seems apparent that this is an issue which occurs, during intense graphics load on the GPU, while gaming, etc. of which I am not, at the times of these crashes. as I said, Steam starts up to its little interface, it takes a moment to get itself sorted out, but once it does, it then resumes my game download. (I should note I have zero games installed atm, i uninstalled then all as well as steam when i first made the connection to steam) once it resumes the game download, its only a matter of time until the a crash occurs, some times its 10 seconds, other times 12 minutes, but reguardless, it does eventually happen, more often in under a minute, than longer.

Yes Sorry ICIT2LOL, I did the power analysis, it suggested 504W of power, and recommended a 650W PSU, which I have procured. It actually arrived today, but I didn't have the chance to install it yet. Tomorrow.
The 8 pass memtest came back with zero errors.


I tried once again, to use HiWiNFO64 to view the rail voltages, and they just arn't displayed by the software for some unknown reason. I did look in the bios, to see if any interesting settings were present. And I saw some voltages listed, Here is a picture.

I am trying to borrow an oscilloscope from work this weekend, so with some wire to probe behind that connector, I'm sure I can identify various voltages and monitor then while a crash occurs, the cables is all the same color i think, so that might be tricky.
But we'l see what happens when i get the new PSU in it tomorrow.

Mellon Head, I went into Bios as suggested and disabled turbo mode, which unfortunately did not cure my ailment.

With reguard to steam, I saw something in another post where they deleted steams files, and let it re download them. So i tried this, I actually got it to crash while it was busy re-downloading itself, and it actually displayed a BSOD.
which made me happy, until it blinked away in an instant, and apparently did not create a mini dump file for me to view. grrr

Thankfully i read something off of it
It had ahcix64s.sys listed near the bottom, not sure if other things were listed as it went away so fast.

Which is particularly interesting, Because i have bios set to be using the RAID drivers and not AHCI drivers

Perhaps i really have no idea how both sets come into play? (thats a good bet to make)

Regardless, I went to AMD's site and downloaded the most recent AHCI controller drivers (x64 of course) and installed them.
Steam Still crashed as expected.

I should throw in that i also disabled Norton, and gave it a try, no dice on that either.

So, my current train of though leads me to the RAID array. Anyway I can put it through its paces, and do a full check out, like I did with the RAM? I have run the check disk on it this week, and it didn't have anything to complain about. It didn't find any bad sectors or anything...

Any ideas are welcome and appreciated,
Cheers everyone
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25 Feb 2016   #17
ICIT2LOL

Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 10 Pro / Main lap Asus ROG 10 Pro 2 laptop Toshiba 7 Pro Asus P2520 7 & 10
 
 

Well I know you have probably paid a lot of money for this card and Anak has said it is outstripping the monitor and as I don't like AMD in nay case I would myself be cutting my losses and go Nvidia which I did many years ago and have been problem free since. But it is your choice and budget of course. For what it is worth I am running GTX 650 Ti's which are now outdated I guess but they were not that expensive and though I don't game very little the output is brilliant plus I like the GUI control stuff too.

The Norton well another thing I would drop like a red hot rock personally and get something else but again the choice is yours.
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25 Feb 2016   #18
Anak

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Win 7 Home Premium 64bit Ver 6.1.7600 Build 7601 - SP1
 
 

There was a problem with a windows update back in 2014 concerning raid and ahcix64s.sys it had to do with sha-1 algorithms, see if you have KB2949927 and or KB3123479 installed.
  • If you only have 9927 install 3479, 33479 should supersede and remove 9927.
  • If you have them both, uninstall 9927.
  • You want to only have 3479 on your machine.
Use the installed updates feature located at the bottom left corner of the windows updates page to check, you can enter the KB number in the search box in the upper right corner to help find.
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25 Feb 2016   #19
Aemornion

64 bit win 7
 
 

Alright,
Things i have tried this evening,

I checked out those windows updates, and no joy.
I do not have 9927 installed, and it already had 33479 installed.

I installed my new PSU, while very nice, it too did not cure my issue.

I tried moving the GPU to a different slot on my motherboard, with no change.

I once again, played around with various settings in the AMD software, forcing the fan on, limiting frame rate, etc. with no success.


I think I am inching closer to wiping everything and reinstalling windows...which sucks as i just got it where i wanted it (aside from this issue of course)

I really don't want to be forced to procure a different video card, not until I am absolutely sure that it is the case of the problem. I wish I had a different one to test or another computer to throw it into. But alas I do not.

Thank you all, once more.
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26 Feb 2016   #20
Anak

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Win 7 Home Premium 64bit Ver 6.1.7600 Build 7601 - SP1
 
 

We have all faced the discouragement you are experiencing now so try not to let it get you down, take a break between trying things at least you know the 3479 update is okay [I had a typo in part of my last reply it is 3479] and you have a better PSU . So, before you go throwing the baby out with the bathwater, do you still have Steam installed? Remember, this all started after Steam ran one of its updates.

It occurs to me that you wanted a machine powerful enough to run those CAD and Photoshop programs, and on occasion relax with a game or two and from what I saw on your bucket site you enjoy dabbling in circuitry although I'm not quite sure what that cylindrical object is that your holding .

If this was my machine I would remove Steam and any games that are involved with Steam and concentrate on making sure the machine and video display was stable with the CAD and Photoshop programs, then go from there.
If you didn't want to uninstall Steam try going into Services and change its startup type to either delayed start, manual or disabled, delayed start will give your system a chance to settle itself before allowing Steam to start. You may even want to try stopping it and any related programs in your startup programs. Startup Programs - Change | Method Three through msconfig. The basic Steam in itself is okay, it's just one of those darn updates.

There is a slight chance there is an operating system (OS) setting involved but I feel this is more hardware related that the Steam update may have fixed for some permutation(s), but now wrecks yours. Something I found about your asrock board.
Multicolored Lines, computer crash, Drivers?-tearing.png
Source starts at 36th down the list: http://970M Pro3 | Memory Support List| www.asrock.com

Even though it can handle up to 16MB of RAM [in some cases] the list shows that it was only tested to handle up to 8MB of your gskill, technically you're in uncharted waters. I would have looked into this further but I didn't have the module ID numbers. Is your gskill ram single sided (SS) or double sided (DS)?
There could be a conflict there which in turn could cause a conflict with the memory on the radeon GPU. A delayed start in Services for Steam may cure the conflict but it would need testing.

Last, but not least, your machine isn't throwing BSOD's but it can be helpful if you ran the collection tool created here: Blue Screen of Death (BSOD) Posting Instructions It could offer some insight to any conflicts, and I would be wiling to look it over.
When you start the collector it may indicate that there are no .dmps to collect, but it will continue to run to collect additional information and finish by placing a SFdebugFiles Folder on your desktop, upload that in your next reply.

Note   Note
I just noticed in your system specs; Do you or do you not have the Windows Service Pack 1 installed??

Steps to follow before you install Windows 7 SP1 and Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1 from the Microsoft Download Center See step three concerning prerequisites.

Learn how to install Windows 7 Service Pack 1 (SP1)


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